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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: steve host [marsha7] by circlew
Jul 16, 2008 (11:43 am)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jul 16, 2008 11:36 am)

I do! He wouldn't be caught dead in a Cadillac, either!
 

 
Regards,
OW
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Re: steve host [circlew] by nortsr1
Jul 16, 2008 (12:08 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jul 16, 2008 11:43 am)

No, but at least he delivers the mail!!!!
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Re: steve host [marsha7] by laurasdada
Jul 16, 2008 (1:02 pm)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Jul 16, 2008 11:37 am)

Didn't Topo Gigio dance in a cage while the Beatles played on the Sullivan show? Or was that a Fiat Topolino? Or Goldie Hawn?
 
They all might have driven Caddys. Just not post, say, 1976...
 
"Say Goodnight, Dick."
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Re: steve host [nortsr1] by laurasdada
Jul 16, 2008 (1:04 pm)
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Replying to: nortsr1 (Jul 16, 2008 12:08 pm)

"No, but at least he delivers the mail!!!! "
 
Oh, so Topo Gigio is Italian for Karl Malone! Or is it Cliff Clavin? Or a so-so Kevin Costner movie? Does Topo Gigio always ring twice?
 
Goodnight, Dick.
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Re: steve host [laurasdada] by circlew
Jul 16, 2008 (6:32 pm)
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Replying to: laurasdada (Jul 16, 2008 1:04 pm)

Get ready for a really big shoe...
 
1. GM has eight vehicle brands, and at least half of them—Saab, Saturn, Pontiac, and Buick—are struggling.
 
2. Saturn, Pontiac, and Buick cars are mostly redundant "badge jobs" with the same underpinnings as Chevrolet, GMC, or Cadillac vehicles, and Saab is a low-volume niche brand that most likely loses money.
 
3. Another reason GM won't kill off any of its mainline brands is that it will instantly lose market share, since there's no guarantee a Pontiac or Saturn customer will automatically become a Chevrolet or GMC customer. So GM is effectively sustaining underperforming divisions to keep its market share up, and no company can succeed for long by paying for market share.
 
4. GM knows it has to offer small cars just as good as Hondas and Toyotas. Maybe even better, since GM is so far behind its Asian rivals in this segment. GM has greatly improved the quality of its passenger cars, and some new small entries are on the way. Recent plans call for shifting even more resources from trucks and SUVs, which are rapidly falling out of favor, to smaller cars. Honda and Toyota have a huge lead, though, and even with some killer offerings, it will take years for GM to challenge them.
 
5. GM hopes that the plug-in Chevrolet Volt, due in 2010, will be a buzz-mobile that helps it regain industry leadership. While cautious of GM hyperbole, analysts and industry experts are buying it—so far. If GM cuts funding for the Volt or stumbles, it will be a major credibility blow. But if GM delivers—on time—the Volt could signify a resurgence in Detroit.
 
6. The most agonizing part of GM's recovery—if it happens—is that huge savings from a deal reached last year with the unions won't begin to materialize until 2010. That's when GM will finally start to deal with its mountainous healthcare obligations to retirees. While not exactly saying so, GM leaders seem to have been putting off other big changes while hoping the retiree fixes that are on the way will help solve many of its problems. It's now clear that GM needs a lot of other surgery before then.
 
The Doctor says surgery is very risky, however, and medical insurance will not cover the groundbreaking alternative medicine that could save it's life...the transfusion of US management with new Asian and Euro blood! Will the family come up with enough money to pay for the alternative medicine?
 
Stay tuned...it's going to be a nail-biter!

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OW
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Mark of... by circlew
Jul 16, 2008 (6:46 pm)
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you tell me.
 
This is a sad story from where I come from...with a yet unknown ending.
 
link title
 
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OW
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My take on GM by m4d_cow
Jul 17, 2008 (7:36 am)
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I've said this before, GM and other domestics seriously need to learn from Nissan. They went from nearly bankrupt to the top of the food chain again in about a decade, a very short time in the corporate world. Learn what they can and cant do, then crawl back from the bottom.
Personally, I think what GM needs to save itself is simplifying their subdivisions. Kill the useless minor ones, like Pontiac, Saturn, GMC and Hummer. Keep Buick, as it has strong reputation in China, and China is the world's biggest market right now. Keep Saab, sales are doing decent in Europe, much better than Chevy itself. Keep Subaru (obviously) and Isuzu also, why Isuzu? Because their trucks and diesel engines are still among the best, and best selling in the asian market. However, kill the passenger car market, its pointless. Save the money they spend on badge jobs and running the worthless, money losing subdivisions, use it to hire a real pro like Carlos Ghosn instead.
 
Oh and one more thing, Cadillac. Start concentrating in China, there are more an more newbie millionaires in China than anywhere else today, and they dig Escalades. Stroll around in Beijing and Shanghai and you'll see a bunch of them there. China is an odd market where Audis outsell BMWs, and Cadi should take that advantage.
 
Of course, with all things said I actually appreciate Cadillac's 1st comeback, the 1st gen CTS. When you compare it with another rebounding luxo brand like, say, Infiniti's 1st gen G35, its actually a decent car. Although I dislike the interior, its not that different from G35's in quality. When you think about it they're actually worthy equals, dont you think? The only problem with it is none other than: pricing! Too close to even Audi!! If only they can lower their expectations and start low, Cadillac may be seeing a better comeback scenario right now.
 
Just my personal thoughts...
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Re: My take on GM [m4d_cow] by louiswei
Jul 17, 2008 (7:50 am)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Jul 17, 2008 7:36 am)

Keep Subaru (obviously)
 
How? Since GM already sold all its shares to Toyota. With holding 17% of the shares, Toyota right now is the largest shareholder of Subaru. A joint-venture entry level RWD coupe is also in development between the two companies.
 
China is an odd market where Audis outsell BMWs
 
If you know the history of China's auto industry then there is nothing odd about that. There is no way Cadillac will have the same success as Audi did in China.
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Re: My take on GM [louiswei] by plekto
Jul 17, 2008 (12:14 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Jul 17, 2008 7:50 am)

GM has the small vehicles. They are only for sale in Europe, though.(where they soundly stomp on the few U.S. models that are brought over.
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Re: My take on GM [plekto] by louiswei
Jul 17, 2008 (12:19 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Jul 17, 2008 12:14 pm)

GM has the small vehicles. They are only for sale in Europe, though
 
I don't get it, how's the GM small vehicles has anything to do with Subaru and Caddy being successful in China?
 
 

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