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Re: Well... [m4d_cow]
by sls002
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Jul 13, 2008 (8:55 am)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Jul 12, 2008 11:01 pm)
I have yet to see the new CTS, as my dealer has not had one in the showroom when my SRX has been in for service. However, looking at pictures of the interior on eBay for both the CTS and STS, I can see that the STS is different and probably better quality. The basic problem that I see is that the CTS is too big to compete with the 3-series in handling. But for those looking for a larger sport sedan at a lower price, the CTS is an excellent car. This is probably why it is a sales success.
The 5-series offers a lot of refinements that the 3-series does not have, in performance and luxury. The STS does not have some of the handling refinements either and the magazines say the STS's interior materials are lower quality than the European's.
My point has been that the STS and DTS will be combined into a new RWD model on a new platform and what this new car will be is somewhat unclear. It will be something like the G8 and perhaps there will be an STS that is an upgraded G8. The DTS will probably be a longer wheelbase G8.
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Re: Well... [sls002]
by circlew
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Jul 13, 2008 (9:10 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Jul 13, 2008 8:55 am)
Until Cadillac is made offshore, it will be sub-standard as luxury/quality proposition. Look at the G8/GTO vs. domestic Pontiacs.
That's just the reality as I see. it.
Regars,
OW
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Re: Well... [circlew]
by sls002
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Jul 13, 2008 (3:14 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jul 13, 2008 9:10 am)
I think domestic GM interiors are not what they used to be. However, GM's idea of luxury in the 80's was overstuffed velour and I don't think that was good then, much less now. I think that GM interiors are getting better. Until the domestic market is profitable, GM probably will not be a class leader. Cadillac's interiors have been improved, the CTS and SRX interiors are now much nicer than the plastic they had to begin with. The leather in my SRX is not like the leather on my LaZboy though.
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Re: Well... [sls002]
by fintail
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Jul 13, 2008 (3:30 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Jul 13, 2008 8:55 am)
I stopped in and looked at a new CTS at the local dealer earlier this year - I think for the most part, it is competitive with the 3er and C interior, and light years ahead of the old CTS. This thing was loaded and stickered at 49K....that was the only tough part. Get it in a sweet lease deal and it could be doable...
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Re: Well... [sls002]
by lemko
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Jul 14, 2008 (4:38 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Jul 13, 2008 3:14 pm)
GM's idea of luxury in the 80's was overstuffed velour
Yeah, and the funny thing is, the people to whom I give rides love those overstuffed velour seats in my 1988 Park Avenue and wish automakers still put them in cars.
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Re: Well... [circlew]
by lemko
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Jul 14, 2008 (4:41 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Jul 13, 2008 9:10 am)
Oh yeah, the same quality as my brother-in-law's Mercedes-Benz S430 that is PLAGUED with electrical, mechanical, and quality control gremlins.
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Re: Well... [lemko]
by circlew
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Jul 14, 2008 (4:59 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jul 14, 2008 4:41 am)
Ask him if he wants to replace the Merc with a Denali with all new parts! Residual is quite low and he can get it for a steal. Just like all the Caddy's.
2006 CTS 36K miles, Retail Value = $15,740.
NICE!
Regards,
OW
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Re: Well... [circlew]
by lemko
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Jul 14, 2008 (5:14 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Jul 14, 2008 4:59 am)
Yeah, left out a few details like it's been in several major accidents, was a theft recovery, and used in few drug transactions. The previous owner also smoked cigars and took his St. Bernard dog everywhere with him in the CTS.
I doubt any two year-old CTS that met my used car standards would be sold so cheaply.
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Re: Well... [circlew]
by sls002
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Jul 14, 2008 (5:19 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Jul 14, 2008 4:59 am)
Cars.com suggests the mid-range price for the 2006 CTS is about $22,000 retail. The C-class is about $25,000. I suspect that the C-class was higher to begin with.
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Re: Well... [lemko]
by circlew
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Jul 14, 2008 (7:56 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jul 14, 2008 5:14 am)
Hello! Those are the kind of people that buy Caddies now a days!
Regards,
OW
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