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Replying to: circlew (Jul 10, 2008 3:12 am) |
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Replying to: sls002 (Jul 07, 2008 5:30 am) Cadillac is in a league of their own when compared with other GM makes, which is the way it should be. I too agree with the other posters that the CTS is viewed as a competitor to the 3 series as opposed to the 5 series in spite of GM efforts to the contrary. Do people actually cross shop a CTS and a BMW? I doubt it. I think they are more likely to cross shop a Lexus and an Infinity than BMW or Audi.
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Replying to: circlew (Jul 10, 2008 3:09 am) Then again I do not think many care who comes first as long as they see progress in alt fueled vehicles. |
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Replying to: robbieg (Jul 10, 2008 5:44 am) The first generation CTS was a 3-series type of car, while the STS was 5-series. Both were bigger than the comparable BMW. Now, the CTS seems to be inline to take over the STS spot when the STS/DTS move to a new platform and are combined into something else. |
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I am glad you did not claim ownership of the Brooklyn Bridge, as I have owned it, BOTH HALVES, for at least 20 years... Had you claimed ownership of said bridge, I would have filed an immediate eviction suit against you, and further sued for trespass... Please govern yourself accordingly...  ...  
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Now we're talking about bridges.  When you say the CTS will probably more up to compete with 5 series, what makes you think its capable of doing so? The quality and interior appointments, both that matter a whole lot in that class, are still below par. And then there's prestige, an area even STS still cant compete yet, and now Cadillacs planning to move the CTS up the class? I doubt it. Besides, what will take the current CTS place then? Please dont say the BLS (or BTS???), the retrimmed Saab 9-3 definitely wont make the cut. Cadillac should learn from Infiniti, from a half-premium wannabe to a genuine premium sports cars. Start low and climb its way up. Learn what it can and cant do. Nissan-Infiniti did that and succeed. Also for heaven's sake be reasonable on pricing, an STS costing as much as an equivalent 5 series isnt gonna sell. Were Infinitis priced close to Lexus it wouldve faced its doom right now. Of course the doomed value of STS is the sole thing that gets my eyes on one. A mint 3 year old v6 is a sweet bargain at $25k. If I'm buying a new one, I'd spend my $50k somewhere else, like a much more luxurious lexus GS or Audi A6, which also retain their value much better btw.
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Jul 11, 2008 9:48 am) Even I would look at a 3 year old STS for $20K...too low, you say? Wait awhile longer. Regards, OW
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Jul 11, 2008 9:48 am) What I said was that the CTS might replace the STS, nowhere did I suggest that the STS is really a 5-series car. In fact it is not if the car magazines are right. I do think that the 2008 CTS may be as good as the STS V6. I do think that for the money the CTS is a bargain compared to 5-series V6. Cadillac is supposed to be working on a smaller RWD sedan that will replace the current B-series available in Europe. I think that it might have been better to terminate the STS and call the new CTS the STS. This would have left a hole where the CTS was, but the new CTS is not a 3-series anyway. |
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Replying to: circlew (Jul 11, 2008 10:45 am) |
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I do think that the 2008 CTS may be as good as the STS V6. I do think that for the money the CTS is a bargain compared to 5-series V6. I agree with the 1st statement, but heres the thing with the latter: True the v6 CTS is darn cheap compared to 535i, but we cant forget that buyers considering 5series normally throw the word value out the window. In the realm of midsize luxury, Infniti's M and Acura RL are the value leaders. I think that it might have been better to terminate the STS and call the new CTS the STS. This would have left a hole where the CTS was, but the new CTS is not a 3-series anyway. Before doing that take a look at the competition. Take the M35 as an example, which btw is already considered somewhat lacking in the luxury appointments, yet still have better quality than CTS or even STS, both inside and out. Sit in one, examine the fit-finish, the interior materials, and do the same with CTS and STS. I bet you'll notice the difference right away. Unlike the 3series market, those are what sell in this market!!! Trying to catch up with the pack means the CTS needs upsizing, new interior materials, and other luxury appointments. The result? Higher price... when that happens the CTS wont be that much of a value anymore. I believe the CTS sell pretty well right now because its a domestic alternative to BMW 3series and other imports. Bigger than competition means a huge advantage over the cramped europeans. Plus, cheaper maintenance, and I admit its got good handling and soft ride. That might work on entry level market, but what about the midsize luxo? Just my 2 cents...
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