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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: STS/DTS-Zeta/Sigma combined [aldw] by 62vetteefp
May 07, 2008 (7:05 am)
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Replying to: aldw (May 07, 2008 5:28 am)

GM's canceling of the DOHC Ultra V-8 shows more lack of willpower sadly than any technical issues.
 
Certainly not lack of willpower. GM does not pay any gaz guzzler fines and has decided not ever to. Most all those V8 vehicles in the lux segments pay CAFE fines and are happy to do it. MB spent $30 million in fines in 2006. I know they (bmw/MB) have said they will use new technology to increase mpg but it will take a lot too almost double their vehicles mileage. This is assuming that most of their cars will have to get over 36 mpg to meet CAFE. Of course their are their diesels but the conversation here is about GM not building a premium gas V8.
 
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/31/nhtsa-releases-06-cafe-fines-daimler-chrysler- - -takes-cake/
 
GM has decided that with the big jump in CAFE they cannot afford to develop a new engine platform that will either not be able to be used in a few years or take the fines. I would think they would be better off developing a premium diesel.
 
I guess the big question is will congress increase the fines on those who really cross the line with fines year after year? On one hand you could say go ahead and fine the vehicles and let the customers pay the fines (which is what most in government do now when they buy their lux vehicles and they certaqinly do not want their BMW's taken away). Or get really serious about it and make the fine so high that few can afford to pay it. Again I doubt that will happen because that would effect those in power.
 
So in the end there are just too many unknowns out there. GM will utilize the 3.6L platform and use forced induction and hybrid technology to increase power and gas mileage. And hopefully get a diesel.
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Re: STS/DTS-Zeta/Sigma combined [62vetteefp] by sls002
May 07, 2008 (9:25 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (May 07, 2008 7:05 am)

The obvious solution is an electric drive with motor generator which GM proposed with the Volt concept car. I think this is the future at GM if they can make it work.
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GGT \ GM ?? by rayainsw
May 09, 2008 (4:52 am)
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"Certainly not lack of willpower. GM does not pay any gaz guzzler fines and has decided not ever to"
 
Caddy STS-v & STS V8 AWD both are assessed the
Gas Guzzler Tax...
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Re: GGT \ GM ?? [rayainsw] by lemko
May 09, 2008 (4:56 am)
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Replying to: rayainsw (May 09, 2008 4:52 am)

I don't remember paying a guzzler tax on my DTS. Maybe I didn't look closely or it doesn't have one.
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Re: GGT \ GM ?? [lemko] by british_rover
May 09, 2008 (5:56 am)
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Replying to: lemko (May 09, 2008 4:56 am)

It doesn't. A mid power level V8 and FWD don't consume enough fuel to trigger the gas guzzler tax.
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Re: GGT \ GM ?? [rayainsw] by 62vetteefp
May 09, 2008 (6:46 am)
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Replying to: rayainsw (May 09, 2008 4:52 am)

I certainly stand corrected. Things changed in 4 years when this rule was in effect. Probably another Lutz decision.
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Re: GGT \ GM ?? [rayainsw] by circlew
May 09, 2008 (8:29 am)
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Replying to: rayainsw (May 09, 2008 4:52 am)

Don't forget the XLR.
 
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OW
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Cadillac has fastest sedan in world on Nurburgring? by 62vetteefp
May 16, 2008 (6:49 am)
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Parent General Motors says the CTS-V has lapped the Nurburgring circuit in Germany in under 8 minutes, potentially the fastest documented time for a production sedan.
 
In recent weeks, the Nissan GT-R and Lexus LF-A supercars did a lap of the circuit in around 7 minutes 25 seconds. The Cadillac CTS-V was timed at 7:59:32.
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Re: Cadillac has fastest sedan in world on Nurburgring? [62vetteefp] by circlew
May 16, 2008 (6:51 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (May 16, 2008 6:49 am)

Very impressive. About time.
 
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OW
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press request by kirstie_h HOST
May 16, 2008 (11:42 am)
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A reporter is hoping to talk with consumers who bought purchased a car from 2004-2006 because of the incentives manufacturers were offering, such as employee pricing. Please respond to ctalatiedmunds.com before Friday, May 16, 2008 with your daytime contact information.
 
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