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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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lemko by marsha7
Mar 17, 2008 (4:36 pm)
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Slightly off topic (forgive me)...you said you had a DTS Performance...what year and what city/hwy mpg do you get???
 
Can you do this while attempting to maintain Cadillac as the Standard of the World, compared to MB and BMW, as the topic suggests??????????...
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Re: So Can GM make Cadillac world class? [sls002] by 62vetteefp
Mar 17, 2008 (4:39 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Mar 17, 2008 2:17 pm)

GM could start designing and building all of their vehicles, including Cadillac, to sell in the world market place
 
That is one thing Lutz brought to GM. They are truly becoming world wide products. Of course not all products will be sold worldwide.
 
Identical Enclaves and LaCrosses will be sold in China and NA but not anywhere else. Mostly because China has the Buick history. The Lucerne replacement may also be sold there but I am not sure.
 
All Cadillac models will be sold world wide.
 
Pontiac is NA only and will remain that way BUT some models will be sold elsewhere under different nameplates. The G8 is a good example. Of course the next G6 replacement will be either engineered as RWD in Austrailia or FWD in Germany. The small RWD pontiac will also be engineered in Austrailia but again only the Pontiac nameplate will be sold in NA. There will not be much more to Pontiac.
 
Saturn is shared with Opel and only sold in NA.
 
Saab is world wide.
 
Chevrolet will also be world wide but only certain models correct for certain markets will be shared.
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Re: I'm counting on it! [fintail] by circlew
Mar 18, 2008 (3:21 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Mar 17, 2008 12:13 pm)

OMG, finally some hits the nail into the wood! Remeber ElDorado, Fleetwood????
 
XLR??????? WTF? Come on, GM changes names like a baby changes diapers. There is no brand loyalty!
 
The Escalade was introduced in 1999 as a rebadged Tahoe. What else is new?
 
A standard has a base of reference. Caddy lost that.
 
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OW
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Re: lemko [marsha7] by lemko
Mar 18, 2008 (3:36 am)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Mar 17, 2008 4:36 pm)

It's a 2007 model and I get about 19-25 cty/hwy. Black Raven finish with Ebony leather interior.
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Re: I'm counting on it! [circlew] by lemko
Mar 18, 2008 (3:42 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Mar 18, 2008 3:21 am)

Heck, we finally agree on something. I like the old names a lot better than the alphabet soup names used today. I love names like Fleetwood Brougham d'Elegance rather than DTS. Of course, everybody has gone down this path and Lincoln seems to be the last to follow. Everybody knew what an Acura Legend was but the RL name in unmemorable.
 
I guess those alphanumeric names seem more "sophisticated" to today's sensibilities and those old long drawn out names seem quaint.
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Re: I'm counting on it! [lemko] by 62vetteefp
Mar 18, 2008 (3:49 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Mar 18, 2008 3:42 am)

I guess those alphanumeric names seem more "sophisticated" to today's sensibilities and those old long drawn out names seem quaint.
 
yep, quaint and out of date. It's a new world and tech is in. How many high end products have names today? I can think of a couple like iPod and iPhone but not many others. I cannot think of any high end names except Porsche and Lambo's in the car world.
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Re: I'm counting on it! [62vetteefp] by circlew
Mar 18, 2008 (5:33 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Mar 18, 2008 3:49 am)

Corvette, Camaro, Challenger, Charger, Malibu, Impala, Road Runner, Coupe DeVille, El Dorado, Fleetwood, Mustang.
 
Might be out of date but these are some of MY standard terms for REAL U.S. cars. They are only out of date because they were not supported...oh,wait, the Corvette and Mustang were and guess what?? They sell because they are the best in their class since they WERE supported.
 
There is enough tech in a 'Vette to make it world class which is a car that has roots dated back to the 1950's. How quaint is that? No Caddy does this, don't you agree????
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: So Can GM make Cadillac world class? [62vetteefp] by sls002
Mar 18, 2008 (6:41 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Mar 17, 2008 4:39 pm)

Well Cadillac has been marketing the FWD STS since the mid-ninties in Europe. But it did not sell. Saying that Cadillac will be marketed world wide is all well and good, BUT that does not mean it will sell.
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Re: I'm counting on it! [circlew] by sls002
Mar 18, 2008 (6:47 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Mar 18, 2008 5:33 am)

Names are all well and good, BUT the car under the name tag is equally important: the Impala was a big RWD car and the mid-size FWD is not an Impala; the Eldorado of the fifties was a nice RWD convertible. The FWD Eldo of the late sixties was an overweight mess by the mid-seventies.
 
The Corvette has only gotten better though, although the XLR has not done it any real good.
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lemko by marsha7
Mar 18, 2008 (7:24 am)
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Thanks.....

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