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#4663 of 6098 Re: You got it backwards... [lemko] by circlew Feb 28, 2008 (12:46 pm)
Replying to: lemko (Feb 28, 2008 12:38 pm) Yeah, my dad's '84 FWB beat you by a week!   Regards, OW
#4664 of 6098 Re: You got it backwards... [lemko] by xhe518 Feb 28, 2008 (12:58 pm)
Replying to: lemko (Feb 28, 2008 12:38 pm) I'd say the very worst years for Cadillac had to be 1981 through 1988. I wouldn't touch a 1981 Cadillac with a 39 1/2 foot pole. All they had was the V-8-6-4, (which I hear is actually a pretty good engine if you disconnect the prehistoric DOD controls) and the dismal diesel. It got worse in 1982-83 with the advent of the Cimmaron and the HT4100 engine. I drove a 1983 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham with that engine. It went from 0-60 in February to April.   Yep- and it didn't get any better with the 1985 downsized Deville and the 1986 Eldorado/Seville.... Replies to this message: lemko (Feb 28, 2008 6:33 pm) circlew (Feb 29, 2008 3:54 am) lemko (Feb 29, 2008 5:44 am) and 1 more... pmc4 (Feb 29, 2008 9:10 pm) cooterbfd (Mar 01, 2008 6:26 am) and 1 more... bumpy (Mar 01, 2008 3:20 pm) and 6 more...
#4665 of 6098 Re: You got it backwards... [lemko] by sls002 Feb 28, 2008 (3:25 pm)
Replying to: lemko (Feb 28, 2008 12:22 pm) The 1976 Seville started out as a Chevy Nova, but after Cadillac got done revising the body, it was a very classy looking car and a separate body. The second generation was moved onto the E-body. While this saved money, the car was no longer a "small" Cadillac.
#4666 of 6098 Re: The Only Luxury Car... [pmc4] by jimbres Feb 28, 2008 (4:11 pm)
Replying to: pmc4 (Feb 28, 2008 6:26 am) Jimbres, you said that the 80's Cadillacs were in your own words "pathetic". Why you said this I don't know. But anyway, the reason why I asked you what your opinion of the 80's BMW's was because you said Cadillacs were "pathetic" yet you also own a BMW.   OK, now I understand the question. Style wise, the E30 generation of the 3-series, which was sold in the US between '82 & '91, struck me as handsome, understated & overpriced. Although I admired it, I didn't fall in love with it & never considered buying one.   Overall, German cars were overpriced in the US market in the 1980s. I saw this clearly when I popped into a Mercedes showroom in Munich in the mid-1980s & saw a new 190E with sticker price of about $8K. That was just over half of the MSRP of a comparable car in the US at that time. Seeing that pretty much killed any desire I might have had to buy a German car. (Actually, we already had one: a 1980 Audi 5000, which was a both a wonderful car to drive & a maintenance nightmare.)   I agree with you: the 1st generation Seville was a classy, handsome car. I forgot about this car when I said earlier that Cadillac had lost its way after 1973. The 1976-79 Seville might've been the best looking sedan on the US market, irrespective of country of origin, at that time.
#4668 of 6098 Re: You got it backwards... [xhe518] by lemko Feb 28, 2008 (6:33 pm)
Replying to: xhe518 (Feb 28, 2008 12:58 pm) I was a junior in college when the downsized FWD Cadillac DeVilles and Fleetwoods debuted. I had always loved Cadillacs, but I really feared that I had nothing to which I could look forward to purchasing after I graduated. Thank God, GM was smart enough to keep the big RWD Brougham. If Cadillac kept building cars like the 1985 FWD C-bodies, the Cimmaron, and the radically downsized Eldos and Sevilles, I doubt very much I'd be driving a Cadillac today. In fact, I doubt very much Cadillac would still exist. Replies to this message: circlew (Feb 29, 2008 3:54 am) lemko (Feb 29, 2008 5:44 am) sls002 (Feb 29, 2008 8:22 am) pmc4 (Feb 29, 2008 9:10 pm) cooterbfd (Mar 01, 2008 6:26 am) lemko (Mar 01, 2008 8:17 am) cooterbfd (Mar 01, 2008 10:12 am) and 1 more... bumpy (Mar 01, 2008 3:20 pm) pmc4 (Mar 01, 2008 7:23 pm) and 4 more... fintail (Mar 01, 2008 8:07 pm)
#4669 of 6098 Re: You got it backwards... [lemko] by circlew Feb 29, 2008 (3:54 am)
Replying to: lemko (Feb 28, 2008 6:33 pm) I am the first one that hopes GM continue with cars like the CTS. My gut tells me don't hold my breath. When history keeps repeating itself ad nauseum, you become sick of being sick! As the dollar bleeds vs. global currencies, it's a perfect time to gain market share. Looking at the timing, GM never seems to get it right!   There should be tons of CTS and Enclaves on the lots to choose from. Instead, I see tons of Lexus, BMW and Mercs. Anyone get the same feeling here?   Regards, OW Replies to this message: lemko (Feb 29, 2008 5:44 am) sls002 (Feb 29, 2008 8:22 am)
#4672 of 6098 Re: You got it backwards... [circlew] by lemko Feb 29, 2008 (5:44 am)
Replying to: circlew (Feb 29, 2008 3:54 am) I believe they will. They can't do otherwise. Cadillac's comeback is a long arduous road. I believe it began as far back as 1989 when they lengthened the diminutive FWD C-bodies to the point they at least looked presentable. Then the 1992 Seville and Eldorado really got the ball rolling. Then the Northstar V-8, the 1998-2003 generation Seville, the Escalade, the first CTS, and now the second-generation CTS. I believe their next step should be a RWD/AWD DTS or DTS replacement.   Now, I'm aware of the FWD layout in my DTS. Why did I choose it instead of the RWD/AWD CTS or STS? Well, first of all, I wanted a car close to the size of my former 2002 STS. Second, the AWD drivetrain would've been very expensive. Third, the FWD layout comes in very handy in the winter. I haven't the need to purchase snow tires since I bought my first FWD Cadillac in 1994. Replies to this message: sls002 (Feb 29, 2008 8:22 am)

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