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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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V6 vs. V8 by 62vetteefp
Feb 28, 2008 (11:32 am)
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Since GM has suspended development of the next-generation premium V-8 that would have replaced its able but aging Northstar V-8, the DIG high-feature V-6 could be a suitable substitute down the road?
 
“On one hand,” says Cyrus, “nothing sounds like a V-8. On the other hand, a lot of customers are saying, ‘V-6 is good.’ We get quite a good draw on it in Cadillacs where we offer both.
 
We expected to sell quite a few V-8s and smaller numbers of V-6s, but sales have gone the other way around, probably 80% V-6 and 20% V-8 in the STS. For the time being, we’ll continue to offer both and let the customer decide.”
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Re: V6 vs. V8 [62vetteefp] by xhe518
Feb 28, 2008 (11:35 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Feb 28, 2008 11:32 am)

the DIG high-feature V-6 could be a suitable substitute down the road?
  
We expected to sell quite a few V-8s and smaller numbers of V-6s, but sales have gone the other way around, probably 80% V-6 and 20% V-8 in the STS. For the time being, we’ll continue to offer both and let the customer decide.”

 
I don't think we're too far from the point where a V8 is about as desirable among trend-setters as wearing a mink coat to a PETA convention.
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Re: The Only Luxury Car... [pmc4] by bumpy
Feb 28, 2008 (12:00 pm)
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Replying to: pmc4 (Feb 28, 2008 6:26 am)

Perhaps the 1976 Seville that got rave reviews.
 
Looks like a late-70s Malibu with a Cadillac grille, emblematic of Cadillac's descent into irrelevance. Bleh.
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You got it backwards... by lemko
Feb 28, 2008 (7:04 am)
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...a late '70s Malibu might've aped the Cadillac Seville but the Cadillac Seville didn't ape a late '70s Malibu. The Seville debuted in 1975 as a 1976 model. The downsized A-body Malibu didn't appear until 1978.
 
It isn't the first time lesser GM makes imitated their upscale cousins. Early 1930s Chevrolets looked like baby Cadillacs. The 1940-41 Chevrolet clearly imitates a contemporary Buick.
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Re: You got it backwards... [lemko] by fintail
Feb 28, 2008 (12:07 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Feb 28, 2008 7:04 am)

I've always seen the 58 Impala roofline as a child of the 57 Eldo, too
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Re: You got it backwards... [lemko] by xhe518
Feb 28, 2008 (12:18 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Feb 28, 2008 7:04 am)

The downsized A-body Malibu didn't appear until 1978.
 
Yep, and it didn't get the thicker Seville-like "C" pillars until it was "freshened" in 1980 or 1981.
 
The original Seville was based on the old Nova.
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Re: You got it backwards... [fintail] by lemko
Feb 28, 2008 (12:22 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Feb 28, 2008 12:07 pm)

"Uncle Tom" McCahill described the 1955 Chevrolet described as a "junior Oldsmobile with a Cadillac rear and a Ferrari grille." You can also see a lot of 1948 Oldsmobile influence in the design of the 1949-51 Chevrolets.
 
I'd say the 1976 Cadillac Seville influenced a lot of late 1970s/early 1980s GM vehicles. Take a look at the rather upright Seville-esque rear roofline on a 1980 Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight for instance or the very Seville-like front end of an early 1980s Chevrolet Caprice. I, for one, believe the first-generation Seville is a classic design. It was exponentially better than Lincoln's feeble effort the Versailles.
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Re: You got it backwards... [xhe518] by lemko
Feb 28, 2008 (12:25 pm)
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Replying to: xhe518 (Feb 28, 2008 12:18 pm)

And those who don't know would hardly recognize that fact looking at the car. You could immediately see a Granada lurking under all the Lincoln-esque cliches of the Versailles. Cadillac messed-up in 1982 trying to pull another rabbit out of the hat with the mediocre J-car platform resulting in the awful Cimmaron. Well, there was no rabbit that time, rather something the rabbit left in the hat after a delicious carrot and celery dinner.
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Re: You got it backwards... [lemko] by fintail
Feb 28, 2008 (12:27 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Feb 28, 2008 12:22 pm)

I can agree with your views on that Seville. Compared to the rest of the brand in 1975, it appears to be from a different planet. Easily the most tolerable Caddy of that period, not a bad car as far as I know, either A Fleetwood Talisman with the airbag option might be the most over the top and luxurious, but a Seville would be better to actually live with.
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Re: You got it backwards... [lemko] by xhe518
Feb 28, 2008 (12:30 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Feb 28, 2008 12:25 pm)

I think the second-gen Seville for 1980-81 was a disaster too - styling wise. I guess some people liked it - I always thought that hunchback look was terrible. Although, I liked the looks of the 1979 Eldorado
 
The mid-70's to mid-80's were pretty much dark times for the domestics - not too many great or memorable cars really.

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