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#4633 of 6098 Re: Longer? [pmc4] by bumpy Feb 28, 2008 (5:16 am)
Replying to: pmc4 (Feb 27, 2008 2:24 pm) Weren't you the poster who agreed with Consumer Reports when Consumer Reports remarked how elegant and real the fake wood in the 2007 Toyota Avalon looked?   Nope. I firmly believe that the only wood which belongs in a car should be a structural part of the body, and I think that only Morgan still builds them that way. Putting an overvarnished strip of whatever on the dash is silly, and putting a plastic strip of pretend whatever on the dash is simply shameful.
#4634 of 6098 Re: The Only Luxury Car... [pmc4] by circlew Feb 28, 2008 (5:51 am)
Replying to: pmc4 (Feb 27, 2008 7:39 pm) Nothing from Germany could ever touch the ElDorado, which explains why Elvis and F. Sinatra owned them.   That proves everthing! I do not look at cars buy the status of the owner...good grief, Batman!   Here is a 1980 Merc 450 for sale with 105K miles for $10,500         Here is a picture a 1980 FWB (my dad owned the same color in 1984)...nice but the slowest car on the road and turn-in of a water buffalo. I wonder how much one would sell for today?   By the end of the '80's Caddy had lost all of it's luster IMO.   The point is Caddy was great during a long past era and now it's not. Period. The end.   Along the way, others have eaten their breakfast, lunch AND dinner!   Regards, OW Replies to this message: fintail (Feb 28, 2008 2:02 am)
#4635 of 6098 Re: The Only Luxury Car... [jimbres] by lemko Feb 28, 2008 (6:20 am)
Replying to: jimbres (Feb 27, 2008 8:00 pm) Funny thing is, I still own one of those 1980s Cadillac "rolling bathtubs." I wouldn't call it a timeless classic, but it has a lot of sentimental value for me as it was my first new Cadillac. I had a 1975 Cadillac Sedan DeVille before that one. I've also owned a 1994 Cadillac DeVille and a 2002 Cadillac Seville STS. I currently own a 2007 Cadillac DTS Performance I bought back on November 23rd.   I couldn't even get a CTS at the time as my dealership was sold out. Funny thing is, as I was closing the deal on my DTS, a woman comes in almost frantic asking if they had a CTS. Looks like Caddy's got a hit! Sometimes I wonder if I should've got a CTS as well? It's a bit too small for my tastes, but I really love what they've done with it. Trouble is, by the time I got a CTS outfitted to my tastes, I'd have probably spent as much or more for it than my loaded top-of-the-line DTS. Replies to this message: bumpy (Feb 28, 2008 7:20 am) lemko (Feb 28, 2008 7:46 am) xhe518 (Feb 28, 2008 7:50 am) jimbres (Feb 28, 2008 2:43 am)
#4636 of 6098 Re: The Only Luxury Car... [pmc4] by fintail Feb 28, 2008 (1:57 am)
Replying to: pmc4 (Feb 27, 2008 7:39 pm) Have you ever ridden in a MB from that period? The cars were never meant to be Caddy-like luxury. No button tufted seats and inches of sound deadening and numb steering and acres of plood. This was not the point, it is not a European ideal. The cars sold in relatively identical form on the world market - the American idea of luxury does not exist much away from this continent. People gave up some of the cush for durability, workmanship, and roadworthiness. I'd take a period MB to a track vs a period Caddy any day.   Nothing significant from Germany? Only little gadgets like fuel injection, ABS, large scale production of airbags, crumple zones, workable ergonomics, dual circuit brakes, the list goes on. Crude and primitive? The S-class cars since the W111 and especially the W126 were the most advanced sedans in the world when they were introduced. The 107 and 129 SL cars were also very advanced, hence how they have aged gracefully while most of their counterparts looked ancient after a few years.   Don't ask for pics when the pics you provide are innacurate and irrelevant. Replies to this message: sls002 (Feb 28, 2008 8:42 am) circlew (Feb 28, 2008 9:04 am) fintail (Feb 28, 2008 4:23 am)
#4637 of 6098 Re: The Only Luxury Car... [circlew] by fintail Feb 28, 2008 (2:02 am)
Replying to: circlew (Feb 28, 2008 5:51 am) And that car was introduced in 1972 - 1980 was the final year. Those SLs and to some extent the SLC as pictured really helped MBs image during the 70s - that was an extremely glamorous car to own in the 70s if I am not mistaken. The SLC is not my first choice, but I'd probably take it over a 1976 Eldo, if I actually wanted to drive it.
#4638 of 6098 Re: The Only Luxury Car... [lemko] by bumpy Feb 28, 2008 (7:20 am)
Replying to: lemko (Feb 28, 2008 6:20 am) Sometimes I wonder if I should've got a CTS as well?   What about the STS? Pretty much the same car as your old Seville except for being RWD, and you could probably have worked a good deal on a leftover '07. Replies to this message: lemko (Feb 28, 2008 7:46 am) xhe518 (Feb 28, 2008 7:50 am)
#4639 of 6098 Re: The Only Luxury Car... [lemko] by jimbres Feb 28, 2008 (2:43 am)
Replying to: lemko (Feb 28, 2008 6:20 am) You had an '02 Seville? I've gotta say that I've always liked the '92 - '04 Sevilles. They're sharp cars, with a clean, broad-shouldered all-American look. IMO, Cadillac's comeback began with the rollout of the '92 Seville.   About 6 years ago, I spotted a mint '96 STS in a local dealer's lot. Dark green, with tan leather interior, as I recall, & with only 30K miles on the clock. Asking price was in the mid to upper teens. I was smitten, so I tried to sell the Seville to my wife as a railroad station car. (At the time, an old Taurus was pulling this duty; I've never liked leaving the BMW at the station.) Sad to say, the STS was gone by the time my wife signed off on the deal. What a disappointment.
#4640 of 6098 Re: The Only Luxury Car... [bumpy] by lemko Feb 28, 2008 (7:46 am)
Replying to: bumpy (Feb 28, 2008 7:20 am) The new STS is a much smaller car than my old Seville STS. If they'd have kept it the same size as the old car, I probably would've gone for it. The new STS is also a much more expensive car than my Seville STS which I thought was pretty expensive as it is. I'd want a V-8 Seville and we'd be talking big bucks by then - even on a leftover. Replies to this message: xhe518 (Feb 28, 2008 7:50 am)
#4641 of 6098 Re: The Only Luxury Car... [lemko] by xhe518 Feb 28, 2008 (7:50 am)
Replying to: lemko (Feb 28, 2008 7:46 am) I don't think the new STS is really all that much smaller than the older FWD STS - I think maybe the older one seemed roomier due to FWD.... I'd have to look up the specs and check back ....my first impression is the new STS is roughly the same size as the old one though....
#4642 of 6098 OK - by xhe518 Feb 28, 2008 (7:58 am)
I went back and checked.... The older Seville STS is almost exactly in between a DTS and STS in size   2008 STS - 196 inches long, 116 wheelbase, 3973lbs   2002 Seville - 201 inches long, 112 wheelbase, 3992lbs   2008 DTS - 207 inches long, 115.6 wheelbase, 4009lbs   http://www.edmunds.com/used/2002/cadillac/seville/19037/specs.html http://www.edmunds.com/new/2008/cadillac/sts/100886907/specs.html http://www.edmunds.com/new/2008/cadillac/dts/100888385/specs.html Replies to this message: sls002 (Feb 28, 2008 8:33 am) xhe518 (Feb 28, 2008 8:43 am)

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