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Automotive News & Views Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?
6098 messages, Last post on Aug 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM
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...I'd truly be comfortable out of warranty is a Buick Park Avenue or Lucerne. It sucks to think of any modern luxury car as a "throwaway item" once it is out of warranty. I would love to keep my new Cadillac DTS Performance as long as my 1989 Cadillac Brougham, but it just doesn't seem to be in the cards from what I'm reading here. I'd hate to think of my old ride victimizing a person of modest means looking for some "cheap bling" in the future. The BHPH lots in the Lower NE of Philadelphia are full of lots filled with out-of-warranty luxury cars seeking new victims.
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Replying to: lemko (Feb 26, 2008 2:58 am) Luxury cars aren't necessarily throwaways, but their demand for costly parts and maintenance usually exceeds most people's wallets and patience. Things can quickly reach a point where your time and money is better applied to leasing a new one and letting the manufacturer pick up the tab on maintenance.
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Replying to: bumpy (Feb 26, 2008 10:20 am) Caddy is no more the standard than Audi when they had their issues a few years back...and for that matter any brand that has that perception etched into the minds of current/perspective buyers. Mercedes is not exclusive here either. Excellence is excellence. My guess is there is no company that has achieved this exclusively on a broad luxury basis, let alone Caddy. In my mind, they never were the standard anyway. Regards, OW
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Replying to: lemko (Feb 25, 2008 6:00 pm) Ummm, Bumpy, the two classic car picturs you posted are of a 1974 Caddy, not a mid 80's Caddy. Just right click the image and click on 'Properties' to see the picture's origin (www.classiccars.com). What's so pathetic about both Mercedes Benz and BMW is that the pics of the classic Caddy you posted STIIIIIIIIIIIIIILL look more luxurious than the pics of the modern 1988 Benz and 1986 BMW i posted... Sad. So sad...
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Replying to: fintail (Feb 25, 2008 8:45 pm) Fintail. I am curious. Why did you buy that thing? I'd seriously like to know. As far as the Haters are concerned: You can buy a 1984 Cadillac Seville Bustleback with fake burled walnut trim for $15,000 in 1984, or shell out like $50,000 for a 1988 Benz 300SE that had real stained plywood trim. So keep hating on the fake burled walnut. GOOOOOO plywood! |
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Replying to: pmc4 (Feb 26, 2008 3:57 pm) Primitive? The car was easily the most advanced sedan in the world when it was introduced, and was so good that 10 years later, Toyota would give it flush glazing and call it the Lexus LS. Why did I buy it? I didn't buy it new...and for the price of a used Kia I bought a pristine one owner car of the best workmanship and comfort that gave me a few years of driving pleasure with very little maintenance cost. Surely a bustleback cost like 25-30K in 1984? I mean, that was around the time my mom bought a new Ciera and it cost nearly 15K, and I think the piece of crap Chevy S-10 Blazer my dad bought in 1985 cost more than 15K. And real wood of any thickness still beats plood 
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Replying to: pmc4 (Feb 26, 2008 3:49 pm) 
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Replying to: pmc4 (Feb 26, 2008 3:57 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Feb 26, 2008 12:32 pm) I think the original post was concerned with general perception of luxury, performance and service that Cadillac once enjoyed. There was a time when Cadillac was generally viewed as the best of the best. Being seen at the wheel of a Cadillac meant that you'd finally made your mark in the world. The phrase "this is the Cadillac of (TVs, refrigerators, stereo systems, whatever)" needed no explanation -- it was understood to mean "this is the BEST there is, ever, anywhere." Whether or not the perception was consistent with reality is beside the point. So is the discussion of 80's models. The point of this discussion (as I understand it) is whether GM is able to anticipate and meet the evolving needs of the driving public to return Cadillac to its former glory status.
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Replying to: claires (Feb 26, 2008 7:51 pm) Interesting. We still hear this phrase in advertising of the past that is used today. Look in the yellow pages and around. However I doubt you will see new ad campaigns using it and surely those under 40-50 would not think "Cadillac of ..." automatically when looking at something. Then again they would not think the "BMW of, or Merdedes of. However I believe I have heard "the Lexus of". Perhaps not in advertising but in comments. Anyway if we look at what is out today the CTS and SRX are both considered right up there with the BMW and MB and Lexus. They may not be above them that "the Cadillac of" can be used but those who can get beyond their prejudice of domestic makers they would see that the CTS is worthy of it's place in the upper luxurydom. Pretty much most of the media has placed it up there. The SRX also is placed highly. Is Cadillac so much higher than the others that "the Cadillac" could be used?? No way. In fact back in the 60's when this term was widely used those other marques just were not seen as much. Just not many around and Cadillac was at the top. Today it would be very tough to stand out among all these high end marques and no one does in every area.
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