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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: I Give UP [cooterbfd] by lykourinou
Feb 21, 2008 (2:37 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Feb 21, 2008 9:15 am)

I saw on NBC news that they said the cost of the GM Hybrids are not worth it, they recommended the Lexus hybrid instead. Also, Edmunds.com said that the Chevy hybrid is not worth it. I saw the vid review about 2 weeks ago.
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Re: All that being said [sls002] by lykourinou
Feb 21, 2008 (2:43 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Feb 21, 2008 1:55 pm)

My SRX has everything that you want, but the size. I do like the HID lights. They light up both sides of the road so that you can see deer if they are looking to cross in front of you.
 
I never used to like the SRX at first, but I do like it now. It is a pretty cool SUV. The HID is lovely, Nissan makes some pretty good HID as well I have seen the HID on the new CTS though and it does not look like the HID on other Cadillacs it is almost yellowish
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Re: All that being said [lykourinou] by bumpy
Feb 21, 2008 (3:32 pm)
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Replying to: lykourinou (Feb 21, 2008 2:43 pm)

I think that's the color temperature of the bulbs. The lower temperature has less blue in it.
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Re: All that being said [bumpy] by lykourinou
Feb 21, 2008 (11:32 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Feb 21, 2008 3:32 pm)

I think you are right.
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Re: I Give UP [lykourinou] by cooterbfd
Feb 21, 2008 (4:32 pm)
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Replying to: lykourinou (Feb 21, 2008 2:37 pm)

Not worth the cost over a Non Hybrid Tahoe. But if you're going to spend $50k plus on a full sized SUV then it is in your price range, and offers the new technology you crave.
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Re: I Give UP [cooterbfd] by lykourinou
Feb 21, 2008 (6:50 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Feb 21, 2008 4:32 pm)

I never said I wanted a hybrid..
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Re: I Give UP [lykourinou] by cooterbfd
Feb 21, 2008 (7:06 pm)
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Replying to: lykourinou (Feb 21, 2008 6:50 pm)

No, you didn't. But considering the fact that you complained about the OHV engines as being old fashoned, I figured this 2 mode hybrid could catch your eye technologically, not to mention the fuel economy being far superior to anything in it's class.
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Re: All that being said [bumpy] by pmc4
Feb 24, 2008 (11:01 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Feb 21, 2008 3:32 pm)

There's no "lower temperature" bulbs; xenon gas is xenon gas, period. If one looks yellower than another one, chalk that up to the placebo effect.
Three different lights:
1. Halogen (white/yellow)
2. Xenon (white/blue)
3. LED (white/blue).
Most cars come equipped with halogen lamps. Some higher-end cars come with Xenon (same kind of gas in strobe light bulbs), and the highest-end, most advanced cars come with LED all-around (Most Cadillac and Lexus models).
Since Honda is still in the stone age making cars with old, antiquidated 5-speed automatics and clunky, old SOHC powerplants that don't even have VVT phasing on the exhaust cam, we can expect Honda to add xenon headlamps to their lineup of cars around the 2050 model year. LED headlamps in Honda's have a year 2100 target date.
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Re: I Give UP [cooterbfd] by pmc4
Feb 24, 2008 (4:04 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Feb 21, 2008 7:06 pm)

I don't know of anyone who thinks the OHV LS7 or LS3 is "old fashioned". Certainly not Porsche or Ferrari, who once again got their proverbial behinds handed to them at the 24-hr/LeMans endurance race by the OHV LS7 that poweres the C6-R...
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Re: Longer? [victrolajazz] by pmc4
Feb 24, 2008 (4:34 pm)
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Replying to: victrolajazz (Feb 20, 2008 1:39 pm)

I totally disagree with this. Sure, the HT4100 (4.1 L engine to which you refer) was a feeble engine (130 HP and around 200 ft/lb torque), but just look at the competition of the time: Acura Legend was 150 hp, BMW 535 had a whole two engine choices: Either the 2.7L "high efficiency" 120 horsepower (120!!!), or the 180 horsepower mill that was optional.
 
So indeed the Cadillac drivetrain was competitive for its time.
 
What the America-haters ("General Motors made nothing but junk during the 80's while BMW and Honda marched on with excellent vehicles...") fail to tell us are these depressing facts. And these facts are that BMW was hardly the "Ultimate Driving Machine", with putt-putt's that barely coughed and sputtered out 120 horsepower, and the Honda Legend -- priced $2,000 more than the 1986 Seville redesign -- had 40 ft/lbs less torque than the HT4100, meaning it was even slower than the 1986 Seville or eldorado.
 
I am not kidding and this is not a Photoshop. This jalopy is a BMW 5-Series sedan from the 80's. Utterly embarrasing in its cheapness:
 

 
Downright pathetic. The vinyl seats just scream cheap! So much for the mid-80's GM cars being cheap and the imports being the ultimate drivin machine...
In contrast, the next photo is the interior of the 1986 Cadillac ElDorado, the car the America-haters claim is no good. Notice the advanced digital plasma displays, power everything and Driver Info Console. Even though this specimen is sure to have over 200K miles on the odometer, it still looks good:
 

 
Car and Driver's 10-Best in 1986-1989. Costs over $2,000 more than the ElDorado, but still manages to look cheaper and less luxurious. Still prettier than the BMW by a long shot, though, and also less expensive by a long shot, as well....
 

 
Since the Caddy wasn't any slower than these other cars, and certainly more substantial than either (especially that eastern Europe-looking BMW), why wasn't the Caddy placed on the 10-Best list instead of the Acura?

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