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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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struts Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [bumpy] by rayainsw
Feb 19, 2008 (8:45 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Feb 19, 2008 8:32 am)

From cadillac.com:
 
"Suspension & Handling
Suspension 4-wheel independent design that utilizes a short/long arm, coil-over strut with anti-sway bar in front, and a modified multi-link with anti-sway bar and automatic rear level control system in the rear; both benefit from monotube performance shock absorbers "
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Re: struts Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [rayainsw] by bumpy
Feb 19, 2008 (9:13 am)
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Replying to: rayainsw (Feb 19, 2008 8:45 am)

Struts, but at least they're coilovers.
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Re: struts Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [bumpy] by 62vetteefp
Feb 19, 2008 (9:40 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Feb 19, 2008 9:13 am)

What is Mcpherson?
 
It is a shock absorber that also contains the spring and is the action by which the wheel camber motion is controlled and is a structural component. A vehicle with an upper control arm and a lower control arm is not using a McPherson. Sure it is not the same as having the coil ride on the lower control arm but the camber action is driven by the control arms and therefore not a Mcpherson.
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Re: struts by bumpy
Feb 19, 2008 (10:52 am)
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I did find this:

 
Looks like some sort of Macpherson derivative with a pseudo-wishbone upper setup.
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Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [lykourinou] by sensai
Feb 19, 2008 (10:59 am)
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Replying to: lykourinou (Feb 19, 2008 4:09 am)

You are funny...tomato....tomatoe...Point is, the rest of the world uses DOHC ENGINES AND INDEPENDENT SUSPENSIONS AND GM DOESN'T. someone needs to let GM know that this is 2008 not 1978
 
Wow, you better stop using those DOHC engines right out of the 1920s then. At least the OHV engines are more modern
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Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [sensai] by lykourinou
Feb 19, 2008 (5:08 pm)
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Replying to: sensai (Feb 19, 2008 10:59 am)

What GM uses is outdated, they still use pushrods in this day and age....push rods. It is not rocket science why Japanese cars last longer...less parts. Mean a less likely chance of break down. GM knows this, but it costs too much (they say) to meet the standards of the world. Nissan, Toyota, BMW, and Mercedes and every other manufacturer in the world are more than happy to accomodate us with world standards.
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Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [lykourinou] by lemko
Feb 20, 2008 (6:08 am)
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Replying to: lykourinou (Feb 19, 2008 5:08 pm)

Really? Longer lasting? I have a 1988 Buick Park Avenue with the 3.8 litre V-6 and a 1989 Cadillac Brougham with a 5.0 litre V-8. Both are pushrod engines. They're still here as are millions of older cars with pushrod engines. Most of the Japanese cars of the same vintage around here have collapsed into piles of iron oxide dust about five to ten years ago.
 
My 2002 Cadillac Seville STS had a DOHC Northstar V-8 and my current 2007 Cadillac DTS Performance has the same engine. To be brutally honest, I can't tell the difference between how well a OHC/DOHC engine performs versus a OHV design except that the pushrod engine has more of a punch with the torque. I miss that little "kick in the butt" with the OHC/DOHC designs.
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Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [lykourinou] by sls002
Feb 20, 2008 (7:41 am)
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Replying to: lykourinou (Feb 19, 2008 5:08 pm)

If one counts the cam lob as one part and valve as a second part, then a DOHC engine with 4 valves per cylinder (the usual case), has eight valve train parts per cylinder and at least two, if not four cams per engine. The pushrod has the valve, lob and the pushrod and rocker arm for a total of four parts per valve. However, the pushrod engine has half as many valves per cylinder, so the total parts in the valve train are the same. But there is one one cam per engine, so a pushrod engine has fewer expensive parts.
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Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [lemko] by sls002
Feb 20, 2008 (7:47 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Feb 20, 2008 6:08 am)

Your STS's engine is tuned for high speed performance and does not have much low end torque. The 3800 is tuned for low end torque and has little power or torque at high engine speeds (over 5500 RPMs). My supercharged 95 Riviera and my 98 Aurora had very similar performance. My 2002 Seville, tuned for low end torque, was very similar to the Riviera for performance. The Riviera's supercharger made icy roads much more difficult to start up on.
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Longer? by imidazol97
Feb 20, 2008 (7:49 am)
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More reliable? I have 2 3800s in full-sized comfortable cars that get great gas mileage and don't cost me double for service in a foreign car store's service department for repair let alone piled on maintenance mandates from a dealer who sold me a totally reliable car but seems to think it needs constant over-servicing and replacements to keep it 100% perfect?
 
I'm not sure where this world commission is that determines what is out-dated and what is world standard choices. I want a car that has lots of torque and doesn't have to wind to 5000 rpm before high torque appears and then it's time to shift again...
 
As for Japanese cars don't break down--I have been collecting complaint posts asking for help with those Japanese brand cars failing their owners in my Watched Items page. I can link to some of them if lykourinou needs help finding them.
 
Sometimes I realize that people live in the past and think they can still hang problems of the 80s and 90s where a higher problem rate occured for some owners of US brand cars rather than stepping into the current world where JDPowers ratings show US built cars on a par with the Japanese brands. Things have changed in the build of US brand cars; and things have changed in those Japanese cars.
Does anyone have a link to the JDPowers ratings. I have to look through lots of bookmarks to find the last ones I saved and can't find it quickly.

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