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#4506 of 6098 Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [sls002] by bumpy Feb 19, 2008 (8:32 am)
Replying to: sls002 (Feb 19, 2008 7:57 am) It also does not have McPherson struts.   Really? I thought the CTS platform was front struts and multilink rear? Replies to this message: rayainsw (Feb 19, 2008 8:45 am) bumpy (Feb 19, 2008 9:13 am) 62vetteefp (Feb 19, 2008 9:40 am)
#4507 of 6098 struts Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [bumpy] by rayainsw Feb 19, 2008 (8:45 am)
Replying to: bumpy (Feb 19, 2008 8:32 am) From cadillac.com:   "Suspension & Handling Suspension 4-wheel independent design that utilizes a short/long arm, coil-over strut with anti-sway bar in front, and a modified multi-link with anti-sway bar and automatic rear level control system in the rear; both benefit from monotube performance shock absorbers " Replies to this message: bumpy (Feb 19, 2008 9:13 am) 62vetteefp (Feb 19, 2008 9:40 am)
#4508 of 6098 Re: struts Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [rayainsw] by bumpy Feb 19, 2008 (9:13 am)
Replying to: rayainsw (Feb 19, 2008 8:45 am) Struts, but at least they're coilovers. Replies to this message: 62vetteefp (Feb 19, 2008 9:40 am)
#4509 of 6098 Re: struts Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [bumpy] by 62vetteefp Feb 19, 2008 (9:40 am)
Replying to: bumpy (Feb 19, 2008 9:13 am) What is Mcpherson?   It is a shock absorber that also contains the spring and is the action by which the wheel camber motion is controlled and is a structural component. A vehicle with an upper control arm and a lower control arm is not using a McPherson. Sure it is not the same as having the coil ride on the lower control arm but the camber action is driven by the control arms and therefore not a Mcpherson.
#4510 of 6098 Re: struts by bumpy Feb 19, 2008 (10:52 am)
I did find this:   Looks like some sort of Macpherson derivative with a pseudo-wishbone upper setup. Replies to this message: sls002 (Feb 20, 2008 12:44 pm)
#4511 of 6098 Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [lykourinou] by sensai Feb 19, 2008 (10:59 am)
Replying to: lykourinou (Feb 19, 2008 4:09 am) You are funny...tomato....tomatoe...Point is, the rest of the world uses DOHC ENGINES AND INDEPENDENT SUSPENSIONS AND GM DOESN'T. someone needs to let GM know that this is 2008 not 1978   Wow, you better stop using those DOHC engines right out of the 1920s then. At least the OHV engines are more modern Replies to this message: lykourinou (Feb 19, 2008 5:08 pm) lemko (Feb 20, 2008 6:08 am) sls002 (Feb 20, 2008 7:47 am) bumpy (Feb 20, 2008 8:00 am) randy89 (Mar 07, 2008 1:11 am) and 1 more... sls002 (Feb 20, 2008 7:41 am)
#4512 of 6098 Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [sensai] by lykourinou Feb 19, 2008 (5:08 pm)
Replying to: sensai (Feb 19, 2008 10:59 am) What GM uses is outdated, they still use pushrods in this day and age....push rods. It is not rocket science why Japanese cars last longer...less parts. Mean a less likely chance of break down. GM knows this, but it costs too much (they say) to meet the standards of the world. Nissan, Toyota, BMW, and Mercedes and every other manufacturer in the world are more than happy to accomodate us with world standards. Replies to this message: lemko (Feb 20, 2008 6:08 am) sls002 (Feb 20, 2008 7:47 am) bumpy (Feb 20, 2008 8:00 am) randy89 (Mar 07, 2008 1:11 am) lemko (Mar 07, 2008 5:25 am) sls002 (Feb 20, 2008 7:41 am)
#4513 of 6098 Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [lykourinou] by lemko Feb 20, 2008 (6:08 am)
Replying to: lykourinou (Feb 19, 2008 5:08 pm) Really? Longer lasting? I have a 1988 Buick Park Avenue with the 3.8 litre V-6 and a 1989 Cadillac Brougham with a 5.0 litre V-8. Both are pushrod engines. They're still here as are millions of older cars with pushrod engines. Most of the Japanese cars of the same vintage around here have collapsed into piles of iron oxide dust about five to ten years ago.   My 2002 Cadillac Seville STS had a DOHC Northstar V-8 and my current 2007 Cadillac DTS Performance has the same engine. To be brutally honest, I can't tell the difference between how well a OHC/DOHC engine performs versus a OHV design except that the pushrod engine has more of a punch with the torque. I miss that little "kick in the butt" with the OHC/DOHC designs. Replies to this message: sls002 (Feb 20, 2008 7:47 am) bumpy (Feb 20, 2008 8:00 am) randy89 (Mar 07, 2008 1:11 am) lemko (Mar 07, 2008 5:25 am)
#4514 of 6098 Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [lykourinou] by sls002 Feb 20, 2008 (7:41 am)
Replying to: lykourinou (Feb 19, 2008 5:08 pm) If one counts the cam lob as one part and valve as a second part, then a DOHC engine with 4 valves per cylinder (the usual case), has eight valve train parts per cylinder and at least two, if not four cams per engine. The pushrod has the valve, lob and the pushrod and rocker arm for a total of four parts per valve. However, the pushrod engine has half as many valves per cylinder, so the total parts in the valve train are the same. But there is one one cam per engine, so a pushrod engine has fewer expensive parts.
#4515 of 6098 Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [lemko] by sls002 Feb 20, 2008 (7:47 am)
Replying to: lemko (Feb 20, 2008 6:08 am) Your STS's engine is tuned for high speed performance and does not have much low end torque. The 3800 is tuned for low end torque and has little power or torque at high engine speeds (over 5500 RPMs). My supercharged 95 Riviera and my 98 Aurora had very similar performance. My 2002 Seville, tuned for low end torque, was very similar to the Riviera for performance. The Riviera's supercharger made icy roads much more difficult to start up on.

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