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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: . [sheepdog1] by circlew
Feb 18, 2008 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: sheepdog1 (Feb 17, 2008 3:11 pm)

I am glad you are happy your SRX. Just remember, it becomes history soon as it will be discontinued. That is another reason why I moved away from Cadillac. They do not support their model lineup, as in all GM except trucks and the 'Vette.
 
I would hardly call any Cadillac World Class at this point, let alone the Standard. Quality, Workmanship or Service. Just my opinion.
 
The desire to reverse this is always available. The culture needs to own that desire.
 
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OW
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Re: . [circlew] by sls002
Feb 18, 2008 (7:47 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Feb 18, 2008 7:00 am)

I think that any model lineup has to change as the market changes. The SRX is a new model for Cadillac and may move to a different platform. The STS is supposed to be merged with the DTS onto a new platform and become a single model. Cadillac has had a "de Ville" model with various series names since the beginning of the brand "Cadillac". The series name de Ville first appeared in the 50's, but was put on their popularly selling model, the series 62, which probably goes back to the model 30.
 
When you talk about "World Class", you have to define what you mean by that. I think in some sense the Rolls Royce is world class, but only in the sense that it is a very recognizable luxury car. The Rolls is not a sports sedan, which is another class entirely.
 
Cadillac does own the "Standard of the World" slogan because they did win the Dewar Trophy. That did not make them a World Class whatever though. I think that some Cadillac models (Car&Driver has rated the SRX best since it was introduced) are competitive with their competition, and this does make them world class, but not best in class.
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Re: . [circlew] by cooterbfd
Feb 18, 2008 (8:16 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Feb 18, 2008 7:00 am)

Just remember, it becomes history soon as it will be discontinued. That is another reason why I moved away from Cadillac. They do not support their model lineup, as in all GM except trucks and the 'Vette.
 
Huh??? I was just at the dealer 2 months ago and inquired about the headlight assy. on my Aunt's 1988 Park Ave. (it was cracked when someone backed into it). They still had 3 in stock at the Boston warehouse. And this is for a 20 year old car!!!! As the SRX gets older, you will still be able to get parts and service for it. Contrary to popular opinion, GM is NOT going anywhere.
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Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [cooterbfd] by lykourinou
Feb 18, 2008 (10:06 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Feb 10, 2008 12:38 pm)

Hasn't Infinity had some problems with their Armada based QX 56?
 
Yes in 2004 Nissan/Infiniti had problems with the brakes on the QX and Armada. They have been remedied and no major problems have occured since. As a matter of fact JD power rates the 07 QX with above average reliability.
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Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [aldw] by lykourinou
Feb 18, 2008 (10:13 am)
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Replying to: aldw (Feb 10, 2008 1:51 pm)

Cadillac is still much closer to the German makes in product panache than Infiniti, even with missteps.
 
Cadillac does not have an intelligent key in their Escalade, nor a folding flat 3rd row seat, not even a push button start. Nissan Maximas from 2004 and up have either a push button start or fob to turn to start, without ever using a key (intelligent key). Cadillac doesn't even offer that on their Escalade, matter of fact they still use solid rear axles, and OHC engines. GM will continue to fail unless they meet the build quality of standards of imports, not to mention import luxury manufacturers.
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Re: . [circlew] by lykourinou
Feb 18, 2008 (10:15 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Feb 11, 2008 8:40 am)

Agreed. The Europeans and Japaneses are much higher in terms of standard luxury/performance/quality
 
Truer words have never been spoken.
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And, another thing by carnaught
Feb 18, 2008 (10:20 am)
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Cadillac and other GM vehicles still have a way to go in improving interior design and luxury as far as their materials are concerned.
 
The new CTS and revised STS interiors are but a step in the right direction. The ergonomics in Cadillacs have been improving as well.
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Re: . [cooterbfd] by circlew
Feb 18, 2008 (1:51 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Feb 18, 2008 8:16 am)

I know parts are available...that's not my point.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: . [lykourinou] by circlew
Feb 18, 2008 (1:55 pm)
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Replying to: lykourinou (Feb 18, 2008 10:15 am)

Perhaps Caddy should import a BMW or Merc-based platform to gain ground like they are doing for the G-8 out of Aussie Land.
 
That'll give 'em a jump start for sure!
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: . [circlew] by cooterbfd
Feb 18, 2008 (2:48 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Feb 18, 2008 1:55 pm)

Perhaps Caddy should import a BMW or Merc-based platform to gain ground like they are doing for the G-8 out of Aussie Land.
 
First of all, GM OWNS Holden, and part of GM's restructuring has been to marry these foreign divisions w/ US divisions to streamline the design process, as well as share global platforms to cut costs.
 
What good would striking a deal w/ BMW or Mercedes do. Then people would say Caddy couldn't cut the mustard and had to buy from the Germans to compete w/ them.
I believe the biggest gripe the car mags had w/ the CTS in comparison w/ the 3 series was that it was too big (heavy). But the CTS gives you a 5 series sized car for a 3 series price. Yet they don't think it would be fair to compare the 5 w/ the CTS because the 5 comes w/ equiptment not available on the CTS because of the price difference. So I think it would be fair to say that Caddy gives you the same quality car for the same price as BMW, only the BMW handles better because it's smaller, and the Caddy is more comfortable to ride in because it's bigger. And don't give me any bs about quality, because the Germans have had their fair share of quality bugs as of lately.

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