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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [cooterbfd] by aldw
Feb 10, 2008 (1:51 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Feb 10, 2008 12:38 pm)

Exactly, Cadillac is still much closer to the German makes in product panache than Infiniti, even with missteps.
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Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [aldw] by circlew
Feb 11, 2008 (3:42 am)
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Replying to: aldw (Feb 10, 2008 1:51 pm)

But please do not tell me they set the global standard! They are getting a little warmer.
 
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Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [lykourinou] by lemko
Feb 11, 2008 (5:55 am)
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Replying to: lykourinou (Feb 10, 2008 9:00 am)

Infiniti builds a 1957 Rambler wagon on steroids instead.
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. by sls002
Feb 11, 2008 (8:18 am)
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I don't think Cadillac ever set the standards for luxury cars. Cadillac has been a top of the line GM car, where it was priced to sell. The V16 Cadillac's were probably comparable to upper end cars in the '30's, but after WWII Cadillac's were all lower end (compared to the pre-war models) models. The Eldorado Brougham was a try at making something better, but it was more flash than substance.
 
The early Cadillac's were mid-priced cars (like Buick is now). When GM took over Cadillac, they made it the top of the GM line.
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Re: . [sls002] by circlew
Feb 11, 2008 (8:40 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Feb 11, 2008 8:18 am)

Agreed. The Europeans and Japaneses are much higher in terms of standard luxury/performance/quality.
 
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Re: . [circlew] by sheepdog1
Feb 17, 2008 (3:11 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Feb 11, 2008 8:40 am)

I am very happy with my 06 Cadillac SRX and when it goes into service, I get a Cadillac loaner. I disagree with the quality statement being higher on European and Japanese cars. I have had both!
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Re: . [sheepdog1] by circlew
Feb 18, 2008 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: sheepdog1 (Feb 17, 2008 3:11 pm)

I am glad you are happy your SRX. Just remember, it becomes history soon as it will be discontinued. That is another reason why I moved away from Cadillac. They do not support their model lineup, as in all GM except trucks and the 'Vette.
 
I would hardly call any Cadillac World Class at this point, let alone the Standard. Quality, Workmanship or Service. Just my opinion.
 
The desire to reverse this is always available. The culture needs to own that desire.
 
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Re: . [circlew] by sls002
Feb 18, 2008 (7:47 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Feb 18, 2008 7:00 am)

I think that any model lineup has to change as the market changes. The SRX is a new model for Cadillac and may move to a different platform. The STS is supposed to be merged with the DTS onto a new platform and become a single model. Cadillac has had a "de Ville" model with various series names since the beginning of the brand "Cadillac". The series name de Ville first appeared in the 50's, but was put on their popularly selling model, the series 62, which probably goes back to the model 30.
 
When you talk about "World Class", you have to define what you mean by that. I think in some sense the Rolls Royce is world class, but only in the sense that it is a very recognizable luxury car. The Rolls is not a sports sedan, which is another class entirely.
 
Cadillac does own the "Standard of the World" slogan because they did win the Dewar Trophy. That did not make them a World Class whatever though. I think that some Cadillac models (Car&Driver has rated the SRX best since it was introduced) are competitive with their competition, and this does make them world class, but not best in class.
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Re: . [circlew] by cooterbfd
Feb 18, 2008 (8:16 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Feb 18, 2008 7:00 am)

Just remember, it becomes history soon as it will be discontinued. That is another reason why I moved away from Cadillac. They do not support their model lineup, as in all GM except trucks and the 'Vette.
 
Huh??? I was just at the dealer 2 months ago and inquired about the headlight assy. on my Aunt's 1988 Park Ave. (it was cracked when someone backed into it). They still had 3 in stock at the Boston warehouse. And this is for a 20 year old car!!!! As the SRX gets older, you will still be able to get parts and service for it. Contrary to popular opinion, GM is NOT going anywhere.
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Re: What does "Standard of the World" mean? [cooterbfd] by lykourinou
Feb 18, 2008 (10:06 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Feb 10, 2008 12:38 pm)

Hasn't Infinity had some problems with their Armada based QX 56?
 
Yes in 2004 Nissan/Infiniti had problems with the brakes on the QX and Armada. They have been remedied and no major problems have occured since. As a matter of fact JD power rates the 07 QX with above average reliability.

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