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Automotive News & Views Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?
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Tony expounds wonderment on the beauty of the CTS, expecially the rear end and sail panels. Talks about the CTS Coupe, which will be built, convertible, stations wagon and diesel. Jeanne Jennings (Automobile) talks about her love of the BMW 1 series($36K base!!). Then discusses how great the GM vehicles are including the CTS coupe and CTS-V and SR1. Jim Hall (ex-AutoPacifica) says the the CTS coupe is astonishing. Says it was the most succesful car, from a styling point, of any car at NAIAS. Even Wolfgang Puck was there and he loved the Escalade. I guess that answers this question: "There are only a few hundred professional athletes out there and a few dozen rappers. Who is buying the rest of these Escalades?" Jason Vines (ex Chrysler) says CTS Coupe was stunning and GM won the NAIAS show. Wagoner doing great and the best press conference ever. http://www.autolinedetroit.tv/ The New Frontier |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 21, 2008 7:04 pm) What this means is that the CTS is a much bigger car than the entry level BMW used to be, and perhaps should be. I do hope that Cadillac is not planning to bump the CTS price range up by $15 to 25,000 over the next 5 years. I recall what GM did to the G-body pricing (the Buick Park Avenue in particular, but the DeVille too).
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Replying to: sls002 (Jan 22, 2008 7:57 am) If that were true, I'd be willing to put up with the aggravation of owning a German car. The 2002 was about the same size and weight as a Yaris, while the 1er is half a foot longer and half a ton heavier.
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 21, 2008 7:04 pm) I need to correct myself. In looking at the BMW website the 3L turbo 1 series is $35k. The 3L nonturbo is $29K. I must have missed the words turbo from Jeanne. Anyway in ~two years my pricing guess( in todays dollars) with comparable equipped: BLS 3L 263hp (1 -3 series size) $27K vs. 1 series 3L 230hp $29k BLS 3L 300hp $32K vs. 1 series 3L 300hp $35K CTS 3L 263hp (3-5 series size) $35K base vs. 3 series 3L 230 hp $34K CTS 3L 300hp $36K vs. 3 series 3L 300hp $39K CTS-V 550hp $49k VS. M3??? series 330hp $65K STS 3L 300hp $44K vs. 5 series 3L 300hp $52K STS-V 3L 550hp $80K vs. M5 series 360 500hp $83K |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 22, 2008 9:20 am) BLS 3L 300hp $32K vs. 1 series 3L 300hp $35K Do you think GM would really stick that big old 3.6L V6 into a car that needs to sell well in Europe and other displacement-sensitive markets to cover its development costs? A 240 hp turbo 2.0 and 330 hp turbo 2.8 would be wiser choices, plus the 1.9 turbodiesel from the Vectra.
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Replying to: bumpy (Jan 22, 2008 8:56 am) |
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Replying to: bumpy (Jan 22, 2008 10:07 am)
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Replying to: mr215 (Jan 22, 2008 11:02 am) |
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Replying to: bumpy (Jan 22, 2008 10:07 am) BLS 3L 300hp $32K vs. 1 series 3L 300hp $35K Do you think GM would really stick that big old 3.6L V6 into a car that needs to sell well in Europe and other displacement-sensitive markets to cover its development costs? A 240 hp turbo 2.0 and 330 hp turbo 2.8 would be wiser choices, plus the 1.9 turbodiesel from the Vectra. I was talking NA sales only and direct models to the BMW US competition. Base engine in the 1 series is the 6 cylinder 230 hp with the 6 cylinder turbo 300 hp version as an option in the US. I believe Cadillac will put the same engines in the Alpha as the CTS to compete with BMW. With the new CAFE rules it could also come with the smaller powertrains here. However if they fit the 2.8 turbo in it the 3.6 would drop in. hint: Alpha is being developed in Austrailia and the 3.6 engine is also built there now as are a number of other versions of it. Also the current version of the 2.8 Turbo only develops 255 hp and GM needs 300 to compete with BMW. As far as other engine choices GM will need to have both a 4 and 6 diesel versions for the world and US. And most likely that would mean a gas 4 cylinder also. Really doubt GM would put all those engines in but I see at least 4 engines available in it sowewhere in the world. That is a lot of powertrains but GM would have them also available in the CTS and STS. The 1 series has at least 5 different engines available with the actual selection determined by country of sale. |
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After all the discussion here on whether the CTS is competition for the 3 or the 5 series I believe we have said that the CTS is the exterior size of the 5, interior size somewhere inbetween, and price of a 3 series, right? Thiswhole discussion started with my asking if the new CTS could be competition with the 5 series because it was that size. Since there was no true road test between them we could not get an unbiased (is that possible) comparison. C&D cover story is that the CTS-V is an M5 beater. Unfortunately there is little meat in the article. Just discusses the CTS-V content and possible performance. They had no car to drive yet.
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