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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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What is this discussion about? Cadillac Escalade, Cadillac XLR, Cadillac STS, Automotive News


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Re: Kudos to Caddy [steve_] by rockylee
Jan 10, 2008 (3:47 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 09, 2008 9:37 pm)

Sweeeet !!!!
 
-Rocky
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Cadillac Ranch is a work of art still in progress by rockylee
Jan 10, 2008 (3:53 am)
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Here's some former "Standard of the Worlds"
 
http://info.detnews.com/redesign/joyrides/index.cfm?id=706
 
If any of you drive down I-40 west of Amarillo, Tx ya gotta go check this out !!!!
 
-Rocky
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Re: Ultra V8 axed [louiswei] by pmusce
Jan 10, 2008 (4:19 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Jan 09, 2008 9:02 am)

Really? Let's see...
  
Caddy Escalade:
6.2L V8 with 403hp/417lb-ft = 65hp/67lb-ft per liter
   
Toyota Sequoia:
5.7L V8 with 381hp/401lb-ft = 67hp/70lb-ft per litter
  
The only reason why the Escalade 6.2L V8 is more powerful is due to the larger displacement.
  
Ranger rover's supercharged 4.2L only makes 390hp.
  
That's 93hp per liter mind you, SC though

 
Why does larger displacement mean one engine is better then the other? The 6.2 is physically smaller (and lighter) then the Toyota 5.7. Displacement is just total cylindar volume. That's why you won't see the 5.7 in a Lexus IS. It won't fit.
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Re: Ultra V8 axed [pmusce] by mr215
Jan 10, 2008 (6:03 am)
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Replying to: pmusce (Jan 10, 2008 4:19 am)

this is brought up often to suggest that "smaller" engines (displacement, not size) are better than larger ones. As you noted, displacement doesnt even directly correlate to engine size and a pushrod engine can be smaller and lighter than a DOHC engine of smaller displacement. Furthermore, many DOHC V8s in trucks/SUVs have iron blocks while most of GM's OHV V8s are all aluminum. I'm not sure if Toyota uses an iron block in the 5.7L but I would bet they do.
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engine comparisons by sls002
Jan 10, 2008 (8:00 am)
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I think that when comparing one engine with another one should take more than one item into account. Horsepower is not the only thing that matters (or horsepower per liter). For the Escalade I think one should keep in mind that it is a truck based SUV than can tow, so:
1 - cost should always be considered
2 - trucks (SUV's) that tow will want more torque at low engine speeds
3 - NVH is always a consideration
 
OHC's can be tuned to provide low end torque, but for a truck the pushrod design is not at a disadvantage. For heavy duty towing the engine should be designed for hard work.
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Re: Ultra V8 axed [mr215] by louiswei
Jan 10, 2008 (9:23 am)
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Replying to: mr215 (Jan 10, 2008 6:03 am)

not sure if Toyota uses an iron block in the 5.7L but I would bet they do.
 
Nope, The Toyota 5.7 V8 uses aluminum for the cylinder block and DOHC heads.
 
Source: Toyota Tundra - 2008 Performance & Specifications
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Re: Can we get back to Cadillac [habitat1] by lykourinou
Jan 10, 2008 (10:16 am)
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Replying to: habitat1 (Jan 09, 2008 3:16 pm)

I completely agree, I never even looked at cadillac until they came up with the newer generation Escalade. Aimed at a younger buyer, if they can get it right it will spell success for GM. For instance I never ever considered buick until the new Enclave. GM is trying but they still have a ways to go.
 
And yes young people do want sexier cars, if you notice people including GM reps are talking more about the look of the new Escalade rather than reliablity or technology.. Looks aren't everything but the Escalade is perhaps one of the most beautiful vehicles ever produced.
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Re: Can we get back to Cadillac [lykourinou] by mr215
Jan 10, 2008 (12:05 pm)
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Replying to: lykourinou (Jan 10, 2008 10:16 am)

Style is important but the Escalade does offer a lot of technology as well. Some folks act like the Escalade is all looks and no substance but that isnt the case. A truck that weighs 5800lbs and gets to 60 in 6.5secs has more to offer than looks.
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Re: Can we get back to Cadillac [mr215] by lykourinou
Jan 10, 2008 (2:39 pm)
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Replying to: mr215 (Jan 10, 2008 12:05 pm)

I hear you, but I don't know if you have had the opputunity to get a brochure on the 07 Escalade. I have one, had it for about a year or so. As soon as you open the front page it has a 22 inch chrome wheel and it says "Chrome Couture."
 
I never paid attention to it, till someone brought it to my attention that they stressed the wheels more than anything. Dont' get me wrong I love the SUV. And looks count alot, I like the looks of the Escalade but the technology of the QX. I wish Infiniti built the Escalade...lol..
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Re: Can we get back to Cadillac [lykourinou] by habitat1
Jan 11, 2008 (10:39 am)
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Replying to: lykourinou (Jan 10, 2008 2:39 pm)

As soon as you open the front page it has a 22 inch chrome wheel and it says "Chrome Couture."
 
Funny, what wets your whistle is what I have a tough time stomaching. Those 22" chrome wheels scream "pimp" and "drug dealer" to me. And I live in a good part of town!
 
Seriously, I've had an Escalade as a rental a few times and, IMO, they need to take the driving dynamics up about 3 notches before they can get away with 22" wheels that don't look embarassing. Hell, I wouldn't put those things on the new Porsche Cayenne GTS which, with a 6 speed manual, 415 hp engine and a world class sport suspension, can probably give the CTS-V a run for its money around Nurburgring.
 
"Chrome Couture" - makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up even thinking about it. But that's the nice thing about America - a choice for everybody.

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