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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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What is this discussion about? Cadillac Escalade, Cadillac XLR, Cadillac STS, Automotive News


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Re: price ?? Re: CTS-v 09 [louiswei] by mr215
Jan 09, 2008 (12:40 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Jan 09, 2008 12:23 pm)

now THAT makes sense.
 
If I could afford a car in that range I would get one regardless. There is no way a few tenths of acceleration through the 1/4 mile or a foot longer stopping distance would dissuade me from buying this car over an $82k M5 especially since I dont even like the interior of the M5. For those who need to see the stats before being impressed I think its logical to wait until the mags get a hold of this car.
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Re: price ?? Re: CTS-v 09 [mr215] by louiswei
Jan 09, 2008 (1:01 pm)
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Replying to: mr215 (Jan 09, 2008 12:40 pm)

Personally, I am already impressed by this CTS-V. If Caddy is going to price it around $60k then you are right, who cares if it's tenth of a second slower in acceleration and 0.1g less in the skidpad. This will be the best value in the ubber sports sedan class no matter what.
 
The only reason I might choose the M5 over this (if I win the lottery) is due to that it has been my long time dream car.
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Re: Can we get back to Cadillac [62vetteefp] by habitat1
Jan 09, 2008 (3:16 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 08, 2008 5:10 am)

The baby boomers do not want old people cars.
 
When I made the comment that I thought Cadillac/GM was out of sync, I didn't suggest they should produce "old people cars". My comment was in response to some other posts indicating Cadillac was trying (or should try) to refocus their demographic target at a younger buyer.
 
There is no doubt that the baby boomers today want a sexier car than the older generation did in the 70's. Just give them a sexier car, and embrace that market segment, as it is a big one.
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Kudos to Caddy by steve_ HOST
Jan 09, 2008 (9:37 pm)
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"The 2008 Cadillac CTS (pictured) won Top Safety Pick honors from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety."
 
Kudos: Cadillac CTS Named Top Safety Pick by Insurance Group (Inside Line)
 

 
I think you get to enjoy that Top Safety Pick rating whether you wear a helmet or not btw.
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Re: price ?? Re: CTS-v 09 [louiswei] by rockylee
Jan 10, 2008 (3:47 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Jan 09, 2008 1:01 pm)

Well the cool thing about the V, is you don't have to re-program the engine to get maximum results. Yeah the M5, is still a cool automobile though.
 
-Rocky
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Re: Kudos to Caddy [steve_] by rockylee
Jan 10, 2008 (3:47 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 09, 2008 9:37 pm)

Sweeeet !!!!
 
-Rocky
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Cadillac Ranch is a work of art still in progress by rockylee
Jan 10, 2008 (3:53 am)
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Here's some former "Standard of the Worlds"
 
http://info.detnews.com/redesign/joyrides/index.cfm?id=706
 
If any of you drive down I-40 west of Amarillo, Tx ya gotta go check this out !!!!
 
-Rocky
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Re: Ultra V8 axed [louiswei] by pmusce
Jan 10, 2008 (4:19 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Jan 09, 2008 9:02 am)

Really? Let's see...
  
Caddy Escalade:
6.2L V8 with 403hp/417lb-ft = 65hp/67lb-ft per liter
   
Toyota Sequoia:
5.7L V8 with 381hp/401lb-ft = 67hp/70lb-ft per litter
  
The only reason why the Escalade 6.2L V8 is more powerful is due to the larger displacement.
  
Ranger rover's supercharged 4.2L only makes 390hp.
  
That's 93hp per liter mind you, SC though

 
Why does larger displacement mean one engine is better then the other? The 6.2 is physically smaller (and lighter) then the Toyota 5.7. Displacement is just total cylindar volume. That's why you won't see the 5.7 in a Lexus IS. It won't fit.
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Re: Ultra V8 axed [pmusce] by mr215
Jan 10, 2008 (6:03 am)
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Replying to: pmusce (Jan 10, 2008 4:19 am)

this is brought up often to suggest that "smaller" engines (displacement, not size) are better than larger ones. As you noted, displacement doesnt even directly correlate to engine size and a pushrod engine can be smaller and lighter than a DOHC engine of smaller displacement. Furthermore, many DOHC V8s in trucks/SUVs have iron blocks while most of GM's OHV V8s are all aluminum. I'm not sure if Toyota uses an iron block in the 5.7L but I would bet they do.
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engine comparisons by sls002
Jan 10, 2008 (8:00 am)
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I think that when comparing one engine with another one should take more than one item into account. Horsepower is not the only thing that matters (or horsepower per liter). For the Escalade I think one should keep in mind that it is a truck based SUV than can tow, so:
1 - cost should always be considered
2 - trucks (SUV's) that tow will want more torque at low engine speeds
3 - NVH is always a consideration
 
OHC's can be tuned to provide low end torque, but for a truck the pushrod design is not at a disadvantage. For heavy duty towing the engine should be designed for hard work.

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