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#4324 of 6098 Re: price ?? Re: CTS-v 09 [mr215] by louiswei Jan 09, 2008 (8:49 am)
Replying to: mr215 (Jan 09, 2008 5:50 am) Lexus is charging $60k for the IS-F and that only has 416hp.   And BMW is charging over $60k for the M3 and that only has 410hp and 2 less doors!!. Better yet, Porsche is charging $60k for the Boxster and that doesn't even have 300hp. Also Lotus is...   I can go on and on and on you know.   By the way, I'll take NA over FI anytime. Replies to this message: mr215 (Jan 09, 2008 10:43 am) louiswei (Jan 09, 2008 10:55 am) mr215 (Jan 09, 2008 11:23 am) and 6 more...
#4325 of 6098 lemko...... by rockylee Jan 09, 2008 (8:50 am)
I think you need to buy the girlfriend a 09' CTS-V. Sounds like a good excuse.....   -Rocky
#4326 of 6098 CTS discussion Car of the Year candidate by imidazol97 Jan 09, 2008 (8:54 am)
62vettefp posted a mention about autolinedetroit.com and a discussion about picking and driving the Car of the Year award candidates in another discussion here on Edmunds.   I'm posting the link for the video of the PBS show in Detroit from Sunday.   link title Replies to this message: lykourinou (Jan 09, 2008 10:14 am)
#4327 of 6098 Re: Ultra V8 axed [mr215] by louiswei Jan 09, 2008 (9:02 am)
Replying to: mr215 (Jan 09, 2008 7:47 am) Toyota's 5.7L has less power and torque and a lower redline while having no advantage in efficiency. Ranger rover's supercharged 4.2L only makes 390hp.   Really? Let's see...   Caddy Escalade: 6.2L V8 with 403hp/417lb-ft = 65hp/67lb-ft per liter    Toyota Sequoia: 5.7L V8 with 381hp/401lb-ft = 67hp/70lb-ft per litter   The only reason why the Escalade 6.2L V8 is more powerful is due to the larger displacement.   Ranger rover's supercharged 4.2L only makes 390hp.   That's 93hp per liter mind you, SC though. Replies to this message: mr215 (Jan 09, 2008 10:39 am) pmusce (Jan 10, 2008 4:19 am) mr215 (Jan 10, 2008 6:03 am) louiswei (Jan 10, 2008 9:23 am)
#4329 of 6098 Re: CTS discussion Car of the Year candidate [imidazol97] by lykourinou Jan 09, 2008 (10:14 am)
Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 09, 2008 8:54 am) thanks for thelink
#4330 of 6098 Re: Ultra V8 axed [bumpy] by mr215 Jan 09, 2008 (10:32 am)
Replying to: bumpy (Jan 09, 2008 8:42 am) I havent been in an escalade at idle but in other cars I can say idle is quiet and smooth. In any test where db ratings are provided you can compare noise levels between DOHC and OHV motors and the difference is minimal, if it exists at all.
#4331 of 6098 Re: Ultra V8 axed [louiswei] by mr215 Jan 09, 2008 (10:39 am)
Replying to: louiswei (Jan 09, 2008 9:02 am) LOL, it was only a matter of time before the old hp/L argument surfaced. Its a meaningless stat, especially when comparing OHV engines to DOHC engines. An OHV engine needs more displacement to make comparable power because its 2 valves/cylinder. There is no way around that at all. Thats like saying a turbo engine makes more hp/L than a NA engine and is automatically superior. NA engines need more displacement because they cant get as much air into the cylinder as a FI engine. The bottom line is this: the Escalade doesnt suffer in any way by having an OHV engine. Its just as fast as the competition and gets comparable mileage. In the end that's all that matters. The driver of the Escalade probably cant tell you what type of engine is under the hood. Specific output is only important to people who are fans of Honda engines and want to brag about how much power can be squeezed out of a small motor. BTW, .5L isnt that small when tallking about V8 engines. OHV engines have come a long way. The 3800 V6 makes about 200hp while 3.5L V6s from Toyota and Honda make 268. thats a much larger difference than exists between the Toyota V8 and the GM 6.2L V8.
#4332 of 6098 Re: price ?? Re: CTS-v 09 [louiswei] by mr215 Jan 09, 2008 (10:43 am)
Replying to: louiswei (Jan 09, 2008 8:49 am) "I can go on and on and on you know. "   I'm talking comparable cars. Dont think the Boxter is comparable to the CTS-V or IS-F. Simple point was that for $60k the CTS-V will offer more bang for your buck. I'm sure you will disagree since it seems you arent a fan of Cadillac at all.   I dont find it surprising that you dont like Fi engines since Cadillac is using one. MB and BMW also use FI engines but I'm sure that doesnt make a difference. Replies to this message: louiswei (Jan 09, 2008 10:55 am) mr215 (Jan 09, 2008 11:23 am) louiswei (Jan 09, 2008 11:39 am) and 5 more...
#4333 of 6098 Re: price ?? Re: CTS-v 09 [mr215] by louiswei Jan 09, 2008 (10:55 am)
Replying to: mr215 (Jan 09, 2008 10:43 am) I'm sure you will disagree since it seems you arent a fan of Cadillac at all.   If I have to be a fan to agree with what you've said then you better look back to see if there is any flaw in your statement. A fair statement will get all kind of people to agree with it.   I think if the new CTS-V to have MSRP of around $60k it'll be the best value in the ubber sports sedan class. Whether it's the best or not is yet to be seen since so far we have only the engine specs to compare. HP isn't everything, if that's the case, BMW should just pack up and go home with the new M3.   You can search through my posts and you'll see I prefer NA over FI from day one that I posted here. Replies to this message: mr215 (Jan 09, 2008 11:23 am) louiswei (Jan 09, 2008 11:39 am) mr215 (Jan 09, 2008 12:05 pm) and 4 more...

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