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#4319 of 6195 Re: 2008 CTS-V [sevenfeet0]
Jan 09, 2008 (8:31 am)
I'm all for your enthusiasm but it should be noted the current CTS is on the same platform as the old one. I'm not sure about your theory that the first gen car wasnt meant to have a V series. I would say Cadillac planned to do it from the start and they did a good job for a first effort. The CTS-V had a few flaws but for $50k it was a great car and its axle hop issues wouldnt be a problem for regular owners who are unlikely to do full throttle launches or drag races. That car was far more than a simple 60s type muscle car enhancement. The styling, engine, wheels, tires, transmission and brakes were all upgraded to create a 4000lb car that was ready to tackle the Ring with confidence.
As for the STS, its already been established that it and the DTS will be replaced by one RWD car in 2010 or so. I too believe the XLR will be refreshed with a new interior and more power very soon.
#4320 of 6195 Re: Ultra V8 axed [mr215]
Jan 09, 2008 (8:33 am)
Inside the vehicle, no, thanks to engine covers, dynamic motor mounts, and gobs and gobs of cabin insulation. Outside the vehicle is another story, though.
#4321 of 6195 Re: Ultra V8 axed [bumpy]
Jan 09, 2008 (8:38 am)
the exhaust note is what you hear when an escalade (or other GMT900 SUV) drives by, not the engine. In my experience German cars make a lot more racket outside the car than Asian or GM cars. I have seen many GM SUVs on the streets and never have I found engine noise to be objectionable or even noticeable. Acoustic engine covers are going to mute noise all around so being inside or outside the vehicle is irrelevant. If you really want to hear obnoxious sounds outside of a vehicle listen to a 350Z, G35 coupe or FX or any of Nissan's V8 powered vehicles. They are all loud and annoying to me.
#4322 of 6195 Re: Ultra V8 axed [mr215]
Jan 09, 2008 (8:42 am)
I'm talking specifically about the noise from the engine at idle, not the exhaust.
#4323 of 6195 Re: Ultra V8 axed [bumpy]
Jan 09, 2008 (8:48 am)
I think that you have a valid point. My northstar V8s are very quite at idle after they are warmed up. I think that calling the pushrod designs barbaric is a bit over the top though (that was not your post though). I will point out that the DI 3.6 has a noise problem that is a result of its design.
#4324 of 6195 Re: price ?? Re: CTS-v 09 [mr215]
Jan 09, 2008 (8:49 am)
Lexus is charging $60k for the IS-F and that only has 416hp.
And BMW is charging over $60k for the M3 and that only has 410hp and 2 less doors!!. Better yet, Porsche is charging $60k for the Boxster and that doesn't even have 300hp. Also Lotus is...
I can go on and on and on you know.
By the way, I'll take NA over FI anytime.
Jan 09, 2008 (8:50 am)
I think you need to buy the girlfriend a 09' CTS-V. Sounds like a good excuse.....
#4326 of 6195 CTS discussion Car of the Year candidate
Jan 09, 2008 (8:54 am)
62vettefp posted a mention about autolinedetroit.com and a discussion about picking and driving the Car of the Year award candidates in another discussion here on Edmunds.
I'm posting the link for the video of the PBS show in Detroit from Sunday.
#4327 of 6195 Re: Ultra V8 axed [mr215]
Jan 09, 2008 (9:02 am)
Toyota's 5.7L has less power and torque and a lower redline while having no advantage in efficiency. Ranger rover's supercharged 4.2L only makes 390hp.
Really? Let's see...
6.2L V8 with 403hp/417lb-ft = 65hp/67lb-ft per liter
5.7L V8 with 381hp/401lb-ft = 67hp/70lb-ft per litter
The only reason why the Escalade 6.2L V8 is more powerful is due to the larger displacement.
Ranger rover's supercharged 4.2L only makes 390hp.
That's 93hp per liter mind you, SC though.