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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: Can we get back to Cadillac [habitat1] by fintail
Jan 07, 2008 (10:19 am)
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Replying to: habitat1 (Jan 07, 2008 10:01 am)

Interesting you mention the Bluetec...I read MB is coming with a diesel hybrid S-class for 2010 (estimated 40mpg highway), and it is slated to be sold in the NA market. Hybrids are coming to the upper end, will Caddy have one too?
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Re: can't read graphs [louiswei] by habitat1
Jan 07, 2008 (10:24 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Jan 07, 2008 10:02 am)

I wonder what the age breakdown is for a Ferrari 430 or a 911 Turbo? My guess is that a high percentage of buyers are in the 56+ category, not because the car doesn't appeal to a younger demographics, but rather because of affordability issues. I would think the Lexus LS, especially the $100k hybrid version, suffers a little of this.
 
Lexus doesn't exactly have a young "hip" image but, on the other hand, Cadillac still has an image among some of appealing to the very old and dead demographic. Perhaps that is changing. But they do spend as much advertising dollars on the Senior PGA tour as the regular PGA tour. Saw that in the WSJ a few weeks ago. Author joked that they should come with Viagra (another big Senior Tour advertiser) in the glove compartment.
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Re: can't read graphs [habitat1] by louiswei
Jan 07, 2008 (10:39 am)
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Replying to: habitat1 (Jan 07, 2008 10:24 am)

I agree that comparing who has a younger image between Lexus and Cadillac is like comparing who is less messed up between Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears. What I was trying to point out is that the perception of "Lexus is quickly becoming Buick and Cadillac is getting younger than ever" couldn't be as more wrong.
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Re: Can we get back to Cadillac [louiswei] by 62vetteefp
Jan 07, 2008 (11:24 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Jan 07, 2008 9:41 am)

But according to the JP Power data we can see that even with the new 2008 CTS, Caddy is not attracting many owners under the age of 40.
 
Very true but if we look at Mercedes their average age is 59, 6 years older than Cadillac (53). Heck Rolls is a dead old age of 63 . Lexus is just under Cadillac with 49. Even BMW with their very youthful/sporty/performance high volume 3 series has an average of 46.
 
So it really looks like the major reason that Cadillac and others in the same $ ball park are buyers with an average of close to 50 is due to wealth, and most of the wealth in this country is held by older folks.
 
And if you look at the younger average ages you see that they are all low priced marques. Who woulda thought!!
 
But there is no doubt that if Cadillac wants to attract the same buyers as BMW they have their work cut out for them. CTS is just a start. When they drop the DTS next year most of those buyers will swap over to the STS but many will just keep their DTS untill they can no longer drive. In the short run dropping the DTS should drop Cadillacs average age but in the longer term they need to continue to go after the baby boomers with a different kind of product.
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Re: can't read graphs [mr215] by 62vetteefp
Jan 07, 2008 (12:03 pm)
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The 2008 model year just started a few months back so I think we should see where the CTS stands after a full year. I would think it appeals to more younger people than before.
 
One probable reason why CTS is selling to an older crowd relative to it's 2007 version is because the ATP is probably $5000 higher. The 2008 has more content and the ATP is always much higher for any new vehicle at it's new model intro. People pay closer to MSRP, buy more options and get the higher models. Couple years into it's life cycle it goes the other way. SOOO, again the wealthier buy in the first years and that means the older consumer is buying.
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Re: Can we get back to Cadillac [62vetteefp] by habitat1
Jan 07, 2008 (12:46 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 07, 2008 11:24 am)

Where are you getting the average age data? I'd like to look at some others for the fun of it.
 
I'm actually surprised that the average age of a Rolls owner is only 63. About half of the ones I see are being driven by a chauffer and "Miss Daisy" looks to be in her 80's or 90's. Maybe it's the kids buying the car for mom and writing it off as a medical expense.
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Re: Can we get back to Cadillac [habitat1] by 62vetteefp
Jan 07, 2008 (1:26 pm)
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Replying to: habitat1 (Jan 07, 2008 12:46 pm)

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2005-02-16-seniorcars-usat_x.htm
 
Someone earlier on posted it.

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