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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 04, 2008 4:54 am)  The ULTRA program had to be expensive.  Why can't they add the 2-Mode Hybrid to it to help increase fuel efficiency pal ???? This is most upsetting because I was really looking forward to that engine as it was a sign of change. I thought we would see V12 & V16 made out of that engine. -Rocky
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Replying to: rockylee (Jan 04, 2008 4:27 pm) |
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I have no doubt that diesels are in GM's future here and abroad. They will need every possible tool to get to the CAFE requirements. |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 04, 2008 4:40 pm) -Rocky |
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Replying to: habitat1 (Jan 04, 2008 2:13 am) I am pleasantly surprised that I am really jazzed by the new CTS. First time I have been impressed by an American sedan in a very long time. But hey, I still like the G35 and the 3 Series as well. And I may still buy either of these. I am pretty sure the the TL is out of the running, however, it was interesting that I could have bought a brand new TL loaded to the gills for about $32,000 at the end of the model year. Did not go for it at the time, but I am sure the same deal will be available this year as well. Can't get that kind of a deal on the 3 Series or a G35 at this time. Regarding your P.S. and the CTS size advantage, it is a larger car and, to me, partly because of the larger exterior size, the CTS looks more substantial and expensive than the 3 Series. It does seem like they could have gotten more room out of the CTS interior for its size. They should probably take some cues from Honda on engineering interior space. Here are the actual specs on the CTS, the 3 Series and I threw in the G35 as well from Edmunds.com. I could not find info on the 3 Series hip room. 2008 Cadillac CTS Interior Front Head Room: 38.8 in. Front Hip Room: 55.1 in. Front Shoulder Room: 56.7 in. Rear Head Room: 37.2 in. Rear Shoulder Room: 54.7 in. Rear Hip Room: 54.1 in. Front Leg Room: 42.4 in. Rear Leg Room: 35.9 in. Luggage Capacity: 13.6 cu. ft. Maximum Cargo Capacity: 14 cu. ft. Maximum Seating: 5 2008 BMW 3 Series Sedan Interior Front Head Room: 38.5 in. Front Shoulder Room: 55.4 in. Rear Head Room: 37.5 in. Rear Shoulder Room: 55.1 in. Front Leg Room: 41.5 in. Rear Leg Room: 34.6 in. Luggage Capacity: 12 cu. ft. Maximum Cargo Capacity: 12 cu. ft. Maximum Seating: 5 2008 Infiniti G35 Interior Front Head Room: 40.5 in. Front Hip Room: 55.1 in. Front Shoulder Room: 55.6 in. Rear Head Room: 37.7 in. Rear Shoulder Room: 55.2 in. Rear Hip Room: 53.7 in. Front Leg Room: 43.9 in. Rear Leg Room: 34.7 in. Luggage Capacity: 13.5 cu. ft. Maximum Cargo Capacity: 14 cu. ft. Maximum Seating: 5 Looks like on rear seat specs, the CTS and the 3 Series are almost the same within 1/2 an inch on everything. CTS has more leg room in front and back. The 3 Series actually has 0.40 inches more shoulder room in back. I don't see how Cadillac struggled to get as much room as the 3 Series when it's about the same size as a 5 Series. But I have been in the CTS and for me, it's fine. At the moment, I don't have any kids and I would rarely need to put 3 people in the back seat. The back seat is comfortable for 2 people. I will mainly be sitting in front in the driver's seat/  . Overall, the CTS front seat has a nice cockpit feel for a typical 6' tall person. And I sat in the back with the front seat way back and my knees had room. The G35 is right there two. It has some larger interior dimensions than both the 3 Series and the CTS. But IMHO, there is another element to the size decision factor. I have a friend that has a Honda S2000. He is over 6 feet tall and squeezes himself into it. But he loves it! If I really need room, I'll get a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry. The G35, 3 Series and CTS lean toward the fun yet still practical luxury sports sedan purchase. Not so much just about being totally practical and utilitarian. All three have about the same interior specs. And really. all three cars are big enough for me. For the entry level luxury sports sedan, I think its about style, fun, speed, luxury. They are fun to look at, fun to drive and even fun to buy. And the interior specs are about right. In this class of car, I won't choose one over the other because of a 1/2 inch of legroom, shoulder room or headroom on specs. If I were uncomfortable, that would be different. If I really need to put 3 people in the back, I will step up to the plate, spend an extra $10-15K and get an Audi A6, BMW 5 Series or an Infiniti M35. But I would just rather not spend the money when I am just as happy with a G35 or a CTS. Hey and regarding your friend that could afford to buy Aston Martin...we all know that once the rich pass a certain point, they get to not care what anyone thinks. They drive whatever they want and wear whatever they want. They are at the top of the food chain, it just doesn't matter and they could really care less. I have not evolved to that level yet. I hope to some day. 
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A few posts that really didn't deal with Caddy have been shunted aside. Let me know if you would like a copy for your records.  I do windows too.... |
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