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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

6098 messages, Last post on Aug 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM

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#4236 of 6098 Re: Can we get back to Cadillac [habitat1] by 62vetteefp Jan 04, 2008 (12:12 pm)
Replying to: habitat1 (Jan 04, 2008 10:18 am) And as far as that S class? It get's 16 mpg combined, resulting in a gas guzzler tax of $3,700. But all those Escalades, Tahoes, Suburbans and Expeditions clogging our highways and parking lots? The get a combined 14 mpg, spew out an average of 20% more CO2 emissions but heaven forbid that they get hit with any gas guzzler tax whatsoever. After all, they are "work trucks" for all of those soccer moms according to the GM/Ford lobbyists that have come to your rescue. I started the wealthy issue. My comment is only that just because you are wealthy should not mean you should get away with breaking the law. And my real reason for stating it is that with the new CAFE laws and if the US puts teeth behind it, Mercedes/BMW and everyone else will not be driving 400 hp gas guzzler V8's. They will have to do something to get the current 16 mpg up to around 33 mpg or so based on their footprint. Good luck with that with a gas V8. And yes the old SUV's got low mpg and they are taking a hit in sales as they should. Lets not get into an SUV is a devils mode of transportation forum. There are plenty of those sites out there. We drive one because we need to haul 4 kids and I carry lots of huge home building stuff and a car will not do. So I am a soccer dad and am happy to be here.
#4237 of 6098 Re: Can we get back to Cadillac [habitat1] by mr215 Jan 04, 2008 (12:35 pm)
Replying to: habitat1 (Jan 04, 2008 12:09 pm) "There is a point to all of this. Several posts ago, I offered to set aside my "belief" that Cadillacs are still the same old sub-par underwhelming cars from the 70's 80's and 90's and go out and gather some knew "knowledge" with an open mind. But darn it if the folks here who keep making conspiracy excuses for GM don't have me tempted to say the heck with it. Sometimes I think diehard GM supporters are its own worst enemy. " Cadillac is making nice vehicles regardless of what anyone says here. Not sure why you would base your car purchase decision on how you feel about comments made here. It seems like you are threatening Cadillac but I dont know why. Also, I dont get your comments about "GM supporters" being GM's worst enemy. Who are you targeting with this vitriol? who is telling lies about Cadillac? You dont have to do much research to know that CAdillac is making better vehicles these days. this is common knowledge to anyone who follows the industry.
#4238 of 6098 Re: Can we get back to Cadillac [habitat1] by fintail Jan 04, 2008 (12:35 pm)
Replying to: habitat1 (Jan 04, 2008 12:09 pm) And I will respectfully suggest right back to you that you simma down a little . A quick google finds numbers pretty much on the nose of what I had in my head The world is going to become a dangerous place for crony capitalists as these trends continue and the chasms widen. Replies to this message: 62vetteefp (Jan 04, 2008 12:43 pm)
#4239 of 6098 Re: Can we get back to Cadillac [fintail] by 62vetteefp Jan 04, 2008 (12:43 pm)
Replying to: fintail (Jan 04, 2008 12:35 pm) Wow, I guess we are up there with our 401's. Thank my father for me starting to put away at least 5% starting back when I was 22!!!!!!!! Too bad we do not have access to it yet. Of course that data is 10 years old so I am sure the top has gotten smaller and the amount higher.
#4240 of 6098 Re: Ultra V8 axed [louiswei] by imidazol97 Jan 04, 2008 (12:52 pm)
Replying to: louiswei (Jan 04, 2008 11:33 am) >buyers wouldn't be caught dead in a car with V6 (FI or not) or an OHV V8 Then I hope they get a hearse that's a BMW, Mercedes, Toyota L then; most around here are Cadillacs.
#4241 of 6098 Can we get back to Cadillac by steve_ HOST Jan 04, 2008 (12:55 pm)
Truer words were never spoken. I liked all the respect though. Replies to this message: mr215 (Jan 04, 2008 1:01 pm) louiswei (Jan 04, 2008 1:48 pm) 62vetteefp (Jan 04, 2008 2:32 pm) and 2 more... mr215 (Jan 07, 2008 5:57 am) and 40 more...
#4242 of 6098 Re: Can we get back to Cadillac [steve_] by mr215 Jan 04, 2008 (1:01 pm)
Replying to: steve_ (Jan 04, 2008 12:55 pm) sure. Cadillac has stagnated a little bit in sales but overall they are on the right track and in 10 years they will likely have a more youthful image than Lexus and MB. Lexus is where Buick used to be and Cadillac is wisely not attempting to go head to head with Lexus and is doing their own thing. The primary reason Lexus has trounced Cadillac in sales for the last 4-5 years or whatever is that the RX outsells the SRX by a huge margin. If the new Caddy CRX is more successful than the SRX (and how can it not be?) I think Cadillac will be in a great position to close the sales gap with Lexus. Plus, Lexus owners will start dying off after a while and they will be in the same situation Buick and Cadillac were in several years ago. I read that 70% of Lexus owners are retired. That isnt good for the long term health of the brand. THese sales records are great but we should remind Lexus execs than Olds used to sell over a million cars a year 20 short years ago. Replies to this message: louiswei (Jan 04, 2008 1:48 pm) 62vetteefp (Jan 04, 2008 2:32 pm) louiswei (Jan 04, 2008 2:44 pm) and 1 more... mr215 (Jan 07, 2008 5:57 am) louiswei (Jan 07, 2008 9:41 am) and 39 more...
#4243 of 6098 Re: Can we get back to Cadillac [mr215] by louiswei Jan 04, 2008 (1:48 pm)
Replying to: mr215 (Jan 04, 2008 1:01 pm) You may want to try again... Average buyer age: Buick - 60.8 Cadillac - 53.4 Lexus - 49.4 Source: USA Today Now let's look at buyers' age profile for both Lexus and Cadillac's entry level models: Lexus IS Ages 16-35: 41% Ages 36-55: 43% Ages 56+: 17% Cadillac CTS Ages 16-35: 34% Ages 36-55: 54% Ages 56+: 12% Replies to this message: 62vetteefp (Jan 04, 2008 2:32 pm) louiswei (Jan 04, 2008 2:44 pm) 62vetteefp (Jan 04, 2008 2:54 pm) mr215 (Jan 07, 2008 5:57 am) louiswei (Jan 07, 2008 9:41 am) 62vetteefp (Jan 07, 2008 11:24 am) and 37 more...
#4244 of 6098 Re: Can we get back to Cadillac [louiswei] by 62vetteefp Jan 04, 2008 (2:32 pm)
Replying to: louiswei (Jan 04, 2008 1:48 pm) If we take a look at the ES which is arguably the vehicle most buyers will compare the CTS to and is the volume vehicle at Lexus we can see where the old retired image is coming from. Cadillac CTS Ages 16-35: 34% Ages 36-55: 54% Ages 56+: 12% Lexus ES Ages 16-35: 8% Ages 36-55: 38% Ages 56+: 54% Lexus IS Ages 16-35: 41% Ages 36-55: 43% Ages 56+: 17% Replies to this message: louiswei (Jan 04, 2008 2:44 pm) 62vetteefp (Jan 04, 2008 2:54 pm)
#4245 of 6098 Re: Can we get back to Cadillac [62vetteefp] by louiswei Jan 04, 2008 (2:44 pm)
Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 04, 2008 2:32 pm) True, but too bad that even with the ES and LS Lexus still managed to have an average buyer age lower than Cadillac. Replies to this message: 62vetteefp (Jan 04, 2008 2:54 pm)

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