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Automotive News & Views Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?
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Replying to: rockylee (Jan 04, 2008 12:32 am) Unfortunately yes. When I heard this I screamed at the person who told me. Not that it was their decision. BUT in looking at it and all the other stuff that is going on I can see why. I just do not like it. First the possible usage of the engine was very small volume. Pretty much Cadillac only and in only a possible 3 models:CTS, STS, XLR. Oh and maybe a midsize SUV. Maybe a Buick. And GM is looking foward to another weak sales year in a really down market. Much fewer car sales to compete for. They need the development cash to bring in new vehicles. 2nd the new CAFE rules. In 2007 Mercedes got the highest fine ever for not meeting CAFE requirements TODAY. BMW and VW also got fines. A V8 today would drag down an already hard to meet corporate car requirement. The competition will have to also make some hard choices in the next few years. Wonder why the greenies are not screaming about Mercedes/BMW gas guzzlers? Perhaps because those are the rides of the rich greenies??? 3rd, and correct me if i am wrong, fast gas V8's are not popular in Europe where Diesels prevail. So the market is pretty much US only. 4th. the 3.6 V6 brings in over 300 hp w/o forced induction. With the new CAFE requirements we will see downsizing, not up sizing of engines to meet 35 mpg industry average. So, I still feel they should have done the V8 for prestige reasons but I would bet they are in the midst of developing large diesels for both the Europe and US markets. Also a forced induction DOHC V6 could hit 400 hp. for the top line vehicles but I would bet they would aim for 350 hp with a lower displacement V6.
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Replying to: imatt (Jan 03, 2008 5:16 pm) By the way, I'm enjoying my new Cadillac DTS immensely! I've driven it to relatives' and friends' homes all over during the holiday season. |
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Well, it's not completely surprising that the new engine program was killed, but I am a bit surprised. The thing we don't know is what happens next. Does Cadillac fold its tent on V8 power, which is pretty much a continuous tradition since the 1920's? Or does something else happen? The Ultra program had probably spent much of its development money on the technology research it needed to make a new product and was likely in the midst of testing. The question now is whether GM will salvage some of those technologies to extend the life of the old Northstar into the 2010s. VVT was grafted onto the Northstar during its last refresh a few years ago. DI could well ended up grafted to the current engine, as well as other enhancements. Who knows? The other thing we don't know is if Cadillac is moving toward other technologies to make up the performance slack. Lexus and Honda have already shipped performance hybrids (though Honda's was less successful). Cadillac could do something similar with the new two-mode transmission. The hard part will be getting the two-mode design small enough that will fit in the transmission bay of passenger vehicles versus full sized SUVs.
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| perhaps the large RWD sedans will also get the ax along with the V8. or perhaps the battery development for the volt is going well and that can be used instead... | |
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Replying to: sevenfeet0 (Jan 04, 2008 7:15 am) CTS/STS: base engine in future 3.6L V6 optional: Diesel V series: DOHC LS V8's that are being developed right now. Of course they need to be sure it fits. a document leaked on the web suggests that the General will change direction and introduce a new 6.2L dual overhead cam (DOHC) engine in 2011. The document in question is an internal memorandum of understanding between General Motors, the UAW and Delphi. The result of negotiations that took place back in June 2007, the document details future product commitments to which GM had agreed, one of which is a new 'Gen V' 6.2L DOHC V8 engine for use in the C3XX platform. As we learned from the most recent negotiations between GM and the UAW, C3XX is the codename for what will replace the GMT 900 platform that underpins the automaker's current line of full-size trucks and SUVs. In addition to a new overhead valve design, the Gen V engine will also feature variable valve timing like the Gen IV engine it replaces. Since the new engine will likely have four valves per cylinder because of its OHC design, expect the VVT to be even more beneficial. In addition, and perhaps most surprising, is that the Gen V will also feature GM's active fuel management (AFM) or cylinder deactivation technology. This technology alone will give it the leg up on other OHC engines like the Toyota Tundra's 5.7L DOHC V8.
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 04, 2008 6:56 am) Great, we've gone from a Consumer Reports consipracy to some "wealth is the root of evil" conspiracy. Have I landed in a Socialist/Communist blog site by accident? I don't happen to be in the top income bracket or drive an S class, but for those that are envious of wealth, you might want to get off your sorry butts and do a little research. You will find the the lower half of Americans in terms of income pay a whopping grand total of 3% of all income taxes. That's it. anything less and it would be nothing. The upper half pay 97%. The top 5% pay 57%. Check it out: Income Taxes And as far as that S class? It get's 16 mpg combined, resulting in a gas guzzler tax of $3,700. But all those Escalades, Tahoes, Suburbans and Expeditions clogging our highways and parking lots? The get a combined 14 mpg, spew out an average of 20% more CO2 emissions but heaven forbid that they get hit with any gas guzzler tax whatsoever. After all, they are "work trucks" for all of those soccer moms according to the GM/Ford lobbyists that have come to your rescue. You know, the same lobbyists that worked against clean diesel requirements such that Mercedes couldn't import its 35 mpg E320 Bluetech until about a year ago (and still can't sell it in a few states). There are plenty of socioeconomic inequities in the world and in the US. But before anyone takes aim at the wealthy, you might want to get your facts straight. And you might end up finding that you owe a debt of gratitude to at least some of those S class driving entrepreneurs that creating wealth and jobs for others in spite of paying taxes to cover a bunch of freeloaders along the way. |
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Replying to: habitat1 (Jan 04, 2008 10:18 am) Hab, you just found out? Geez... 
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