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Automotive News & Views Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 03, 2008 10:59 am)  We are a little to honest to have to lie about our cars problems. A buddy of mine filled out a favorable review several years ago on his Accord, and when I questioned him he tried to down play it. -Rocky |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 03, 2008 5:10 pm)  What's this new killed DOHC V8 you are talking about ???  I hope you aren't talking about the new ULTRA  -Rocky |
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Replying to: tntmyth (Jan 03, 2008 9:13 pm) That's about the best "open minded" suggestion I've read in this forum. Seems we are all guilty of playing "Crossfire". GM protagonists on one side, antagonists on the other, throwing Molitav cocktails at each other. I rather like the idea of starting fresh, so to speak, with test drives of ALL of the cars in the segment being considered and at least attempting to leave the biases at home or in the past. P.S. In your own assessment of the CTS's size advantage, how do you reconcile that, according to the specifications I've seen, the rear seat shoulder and hip room of the CTS is actually smaller than the 3 series and way smaller than the 5 series/ E class?. Haven't sat in one myself, but when I was shopping back in 2004, although leg room is obviously important, the width of the rear seat was at least as important to our family requirements. At that time, the TL worked, but the 3 series was a little tight. The CTS interior width dimension appears to be among the smallest of its competition. P.P.S. I happen to know a 60 something 6'+ guy who could practically afford to buy Aston Martin (the entire company, not just the car) and he still prefers the sportiness and smaller size of the 3 series to the 5 series. Just traded his older M3 for a 335i. His wife drives a big 760i, but he still reminisces about his old BMW 2002 tii.
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Replying to: rockylee (Jan 04, 2008 12:32 am) Unfortunately yes. When I heard this I screamed at the person who told me. Not that it was their decision. BUT in looking at it and all the other stuff that is going on I can see why. I just do not like it. First the possible usage of the engine was very small volume. Pretty much Cadillac only and in only a possible 3 models:CTS, STS, XLR. Oh and maybe a midsize SUV. Maybe a Buick. And GM is looking foward to another weak sales year in a really down market. Much fewer car sales to compete for. They need the development cash to bring in new vehicles. 2nd the new CAFE rules. In 2007 Mercedes got the highest fine ever for not meeting CAFE requirements TODAY. BMW and VW also got fines. A V8 today would drag down an already hard to meet corporate car requirement. The competition will have to also make some hard choices in the next few years. Wonder why the greenies are not screaming about Mercedes/BMW gas guzzlers? Perhaps because those are the rides of the rich greenies??? 3rd, and correct me if i am wrong, fast gas V8's are not popular in Europe where Diesels prevail. So the market is pretty much US only. 4th. the 3.6 V6 brings in over 300 hp w/o forced induction. With the new CAFE requirements we will see downsizing, not up sizing of engines to meet 35 mpg industry average. So, I still feel they should have done the V8 for prestige reasons but I would bet they are in the midst of developing large diesels for both the Europe and US markets. Also a forced induction DOHC V6 could hit 400 hp. for the top line vehicles but I would bet they would aim for 350 hp with a lower displacement V6.
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Replying to: tntmyth (Jan 03, 2008 9:13 pm) |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 04, 2008 4:54 am) |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 03, 2008 5:10 pm)
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Replying to: imatt (Jan 03, 2008 5:16 pm) By the way, I'm enjoying my new Cadillac DTS immensely! I've driven it to relatives' and friends' homes all over during the holiday season. |
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Well, it's not completely surprising that the new engine program was killed, but I am a bit surprised. The thing we don't know is what happens next. Does Cadillac fold its tent on V8 power, which is pretty much a continuous tradition since the 1920's? Or does something else happen? The Ultra program had probably spent much of its development money on the technology research it needed to make a new product and was likely in the midst of testing. The question now is whether GM will salvage some of those technologies to extend the life of the old Northstar into the 2010s. VVT was grafted onto the Northstar during its last refresh a few years ago. DI could well ended up grafted to the current engine, as well as other enhancements. Who knows? The other thing we don't know is if Cadillac is moving toward other technologies to make up the performance slack. Lexus and Honda have already shipped performance hybrids (though Honda's was less successful). Cadillac could do something similar with the new two-mode transmission. The hard part will be getting the two-mode design small enough that will fit in the transmission bay of passenger vehicles versus full sized SUVs.
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| perhaps the large RWD sedans will also get the ax along with the V8. or perhaps the battery development for the volt is going well and that can be used instead... | |
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