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Automotive News & Views Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?
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Replying to: sls002 (Jan 02, 2008 3:03 pm) They all do long-term tests, for them maybe one year. So, true, one cannot get a measure of reliability over say 6 years as can be found in CR and their data base of readers' experiences. I have found generally that C&D, R&T, Autoweek are spot-on in their assessments of car performance as pertains to handling, braking, steering, power, etc as well as other attribures such as fit and finish, interior, etc. as compared to my own observations when looking at and test driving new cars. What I have found as non-reliable sources of information about cars are friends, relatives, neighbors, work associates who are 100 percent American brand advocates. They have no actual experience of ownership of multitudes of brands (American and foreign). Many refuse to even test drive anything other than an American brand. How can they possibly have an informed opinion about cars/vehicles. In previous tests of Cadillacs, not 08 Cadillac CTS, I have seen CR rate Cad in about the same relative rank as other magazines' comparos. A number of testers of different magazines have come to the same relative conclusions about Cadillac with regards to other cars in its class. The 08 CTS excluded, I don't ever recall seeing any Cadillac rated at or near the top over last couple of decades in any magazine. Going forward, when we start to see a consensus view from CR, car magazines, Edmunds and similar that rate Cadillac as number one then perhaps Cadillac might be called the Standard of the World. An example of consensus on a standard has been/is the BMW 3 Series. |
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Replying to: dino001 (Jan 03, 2008 7:40 am) I do not believe there is some conspiracy at CR or any other mag. I actually have some inside knowledge on how CR works. They have a definite "bias" toward the type of cars they like. This may or may not line up with mine or your personal likes/dislikes but they call it the way they see it in their eyes. I can name a couple they really like and that is the Civic and Accord. They like the size, handling and the "green" image Honda has. Other vehicles that do not match their likes have a harder time getting a recommended buy. Took years of data to get the Century / Regal in their. Just too soft of a ride for their tastes. But the couple years of top reliability data just made them recommend them. As far as Toyota, with all the news on their quality and recalls, CR did not have much choice but to stop giving them passes.
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 03, 2008 8:18 am) J. D. Powers does a random survey of some reasonable percentage of the 10,000 or so copies of said vehicle to determine the number of breakdowns that the owners have had. Using the responses J. D. Powers ranks vehicles from good to bad. Consumer Reports (for a very long time - longer than J. D. Powers) does not do a random survey of owners, but does get as much information from their subscribers as possible on the vehicles they happen to own. If all of CR's subscribers submit information (probably not the case), then CR should have an unbiased random selection of each manufacturers vehicles to evaluate. However, as I suspect is the case, only some of CR's subscribers bother to report, and probably the ones who do have a problem to report, while the trouble free vehicles are under reported. The basic question that I have about CR's surveys is what percentage of the subscribers actually report year in and year out. If more than 90% do, then they probably have a fairly good data set. |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 03, 2008 9:12 am) No reason to scream bloody hell just because somebody happens to like different things (and they say upfront what they like). You can always open your own "We like soft suspensions and flat seats" magazine. Judging by amount of emotion expressed here at those who beg to disagree, it should sell in big volumes ... 
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Replying to: sls002 (Jan 03, 2008 9:16 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 03, 2008 8:18 am) Wrong. I believe Automobile or R&T made upper-midsize luxury with V6 test last year (A6, 530, E320, CTS, V80, S-type, and couple of others) and CTS was rated higest, mostly due to value. I remember being very surprised seing that. |
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Replying to: dino001 (Jan 03, 2008 9:49 am) I think the essence of what J. D. Power's does is found here: LongTermReliabilityfor2004 The rankings show that GM has two makes above average, while Pontiac, GMC and Chevy are below average, but close to average. Saturn is significantly below average. Buick is very good and Cadillac is well above average. This does not mean that any car that you might buy won't be much worse than average though. |
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Replying to: dino001 (Jan 03, 2008 7:40 am) As far as Toyota, with all the news on their quality and recalls, CR did not have much choice but to stop giving them passes. I completely agree.....So somebody had to fill the void so the more reliable better built domestics naturally filled the hole where a Toyota, once automatically was placed. Is that a conspiracy theory dino001 ?  -Rocky |
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Replying to: rockylee (Jan 03, 2008 9:57 am)  There are so many other choices. Even if their conspiracy to taut Toyota fell apart, they still could choose tons of imports before admitting something domestic being most reliable and recommended. I mean - if there is a real vast anti-domestic conspiracy (is it right wing or left wing?), as you would like us to believe. Or - is it just anti-GM? Wow - what did GM do to all these milions people who dare to refuse to buy their most wondeful product? Or lets narrow it - what did they do to media and CR that Ford gets a pass now and they still can't? I just can't stop wondering... Oh - I have an idea! Perhaps their product is not so great, after all. No - that is impossible. GM has always performed to best of its ability, both in design and manufacturing (with huge help of UAW, of course). And we know their best is the worlds best. It's in the Constitution. So it must be something else... |
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Replying to: sls002 (Jan 03, 2008 9:16 am) So for "under-reporting", then Hondas and Lexi are probably actually better than CR indicates. Maybe these cars should have a higher, more magnificent color schemes than red circles.
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