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Automotive News & Views Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 02, 2008 9:19 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 02, 2008 9:19 am) X, All I can say is puff, puff, pass, pal !!!  -Rocky |
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Replying to: sls002 (Jan 02, 2008 3:03 pm) I peruse mags in waiting rooms and I'm amazed at how much interest there is in Bentlys, Lamgorghinis, Mazarattis, etc. I recall one where they took two special models to Norway or somewhere nearby to test them. Well, actually the cars were probably there and they used that as a vacation excuse to go test them in the cold... One was a Special Model of a Bently. I can't recall the other. That they're of no interest to me as a purchaser, and of no interest to 99.9% of the population of the US, makes no difference. A certain demographic reads those avidly. I don't recall they gave an reliability information on any of the exclusive cars about which I have read in waiting room magazines.
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 02, 2008 8:20 am) As I said - there is a value in JD Power study - just as everything else it should not be considered some kind of Oracle or Bible. It has flaws, as everything else - some of them are actually quite major. |
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Replying to: rockylee (Jan 02, 2008 11:46 pm) All conspiracy theories are great until they simply fall apart... Then of course new conspiracy theories emerge - usually from the same people. So I'm waiting Rocky - please elighten me on the new conspiracy from CR ditching Toyota and praising Ford. Please? |
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Replying to: sls002 (Jan 02, 2008 3:03 pm) They all do long-term tests, for them maybe one year. So, true, one cannot get a measure of reliability over say 6 years as can be found in CR and their data base of readers' experiences. I have found generally that C&D, R&T, Autoweek are spot-on in their assessments of car performance as pertains to handling, braking, steering, power, etc as well as other attribures such as fit and finish, interior, etc. as compared to my own observations when looking at and test driving new cars. What I have found as non-reliable sources of information about cars are friends, relatives, neighbors, work associates who are 100 percent American brand advocates. They have no actual experience of ownership of multitudes of brands (American and foreign). Many refuse to even test drive anything other than an American brand. How can they possibly have an informed opinion about cars/vehicles. In previous tests of Cadillacs, not 08 Cadillac CTS, I have seen CR rate Cad in about the same relative rank as other magazines' comparos. A number of testers of different magazines have come to the same relative conclusions about Cadillac with regards to other cars in its class. The 08 CTS excluded, I don't ever recall seeing any Cadillac rated at or near the top over last couple of decades in any magazine. Going forward, when we start to see a consensus view from CR, car magazines, Edmunds and similar that rate Cadillac as number one then perhaps Cadillac might be called the Standard of the World. An example of consensus on a standard has been/is the BMW 3 Series. |
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Replying to: dino001 (Jan 03, 2008 7:40 am) I do not believe there is some conspiracy at CR or any other mag. I actually have some inside knowledge on how CR works. They have a definite "bias" toward the type of cars they like. This may or may not line up with mine or your personal likes/dislikes but they call it the way they see it in their eyes. I can name a couple they really like and that is the Civic and Accord. They like the size, handling and the "green" image Honda has. Other vehicles that do not match their likes have a harder time getting a recommended buy. Took years of data to get the Century / Regal in their. Just too soft of a ride for their tastes. But the couple years of top reliability data just made them recommend them. As far as Toyota, with all the news on their quality and recalls, CR did not have much choice but to stop giving them passes.
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 03, 2008 8:18 am) J. D. Powers does a random survey of some reasonable percentage of the 10,000 or so copies of said vehicle to determine the number of breakdowns that the owners have had. Using the responses J. D. Powers ranks vehicles from good to bad. Consumer Reports (for a very long time - longer than J. D. Powers) does not do a random survey of owners, but does get as much information from their subscribers as possible on the vehicles they happen to own. If all of CR's subscribers submit information (probably not the case), then CR should have an unbiased random selection of each manufacturers vehicles to evaluate. However, as I suspect is the case, only some of CR's subscribers bother to report, and probably the ones who do have a problem to report, while the trouble free vehicles are under reported. The basic question that I have about CR's surveys is what percentage of the subscribers actually report year in and year out. If more than 90% do, then they probably have a fairly good data set. |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 03, 2008 9:12 am) No reason to scream bloody hell just because somebody happens to like different things (and they say upfront what they like). You can always open your own "We like soft suspensions and flat seats" magazine. Judging by amount of emotion expressed here at those who beg to disagree, it should sell in big volumes ... 
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Replying to: sls002 (Jan 03, 2008 9:16 am)
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