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Re: Surprise! Surprise! Surprise! [rockylee] by onlygmmatters
Dec 31, 2007 (9:27 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 31, 2007 9:18 am)

That's the only way Hyundai is going to be able to sell a Genesis is by paying off Consumer Reports like the rest of the imports do. I won't feel the least bit sorry for those people when their when their overpriced Sonata turns out to be another Korean like the rest of them.
 
Rocky, it'll be those Lucerne drivers who'll have the last laugh.
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Re: Surprise! Surprise! Surprise! [rockylee] by bumpy
Dec 31, 2007 (9:37 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 31, 2007 9:18 am)

Jeez, Rockson, if CR is so easily swayed how come GM doesn't bribe them?
 
Hyundai doesn't need to bribe anyone, since a RWD entry-lux sedan with a 375 hp V8 and a $35k price tag will sell itself just fine.
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Re: Surprise! Surprise! Surprise! [bumpy] by lemko
Dec 31, 2007 (10:06 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Dec 31, 2007 9:37 am)

Hyundai doesn't need to bribe anyone, since a RWD entry-lux sedan with a 375 hp V8 and a $35k price tag will sell itself just fine.
 
Wow, that sound like a play out of Lexus' handbook, only the Lexus LS was $35K in 1989 dollars and didn't have 375 hp.
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Re: Surprise! Surprise! Surprise! [bumpy] by rockylee
Dec 31, 2007 (10:06 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Dec 31, 2007 9:37 am)

Jeez, Rockson, if CR is so easily swayed how come GM doesn't bribe them?
 
CR, has built a reputation on loving asian import brands and since GM, is a domestic brand they will not take bribes from domestic manufactors. It would be against their company policy. They might not hammer on them (Big 3) to hard to not sound to biased once in a blue moon (which angers the masses and further stirs the hate pot.) but the fact remains the accuracy of the reporting is so far fetched and is limited to just subscribers how can you honestly not take what they say with a grain of salt ????
 
-Rocky
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Re: Surprise! Surprise! Surprise! [lemko] by rockylee
Dec 31, 2007 (10:10 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 31, 2007 10:06 am)

Wow, that sound like a play out of Lexus' handbook, only the Lexus LS was $35K in 1989 dollars and didn't have 375 hp.
 
I guess when you can work your employees for 84+ hours a week at a couple bucks an hour and manipuilate your currency you can keep your prices on the cheap. Well they don't have a fat cat problem either as they do jail their corrupt executives in South Korea.
 
-Rocky
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Re: Surprise! Surprise! Surprise! [lemko] by bumpy
Dec 31, 2007 (10:25 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 31, 2007 10:06 am)

Yep, that's exactly what they're doing, and if the dollar continues its devaluation apace the V8 Genesis won't stay at $35k for long.
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Re: Surprise! Surprise! Surprise! [rockylee] by bumpy
Dec 31, 2007 (10:30 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 31, 2007 10:10 am)

But they went on strike earlier this year, so now they get a couple and a half bucks an hour.
 
One of the interesting things about the Hyundai workforce is that they do work longer days than the UAW, but they also get longer breaks in nicely-stocked lounges.
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Re: Surprise! Surprise! Surprise! [bumpy] by rockylee
Dec 31, 2007 (10:42 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Dec 31, 2007 10:30 am)

Yeah, the country is corrupt as hell but if I had to live there I'd want to work for Hyundai/Kia, and belong to their labor union cuz they got it a lot better than most.
 
-Rocky
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Re: Surprise! Surprise! Surprise! [rockylee] by grbeck
Dec 31, 2007 (10:44 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 31, 2007 10:06 am)

Which is why Consumer Reports recently praised several Ford products for reliability, and noted that the company is making across-the-board gains in long-term reliability. And also recently noted the subpar reliability of several key Toyota products, including the all-important V-6 Camry.
 
How do these facts fit into your scenario? Or is Consumer Reports now accepting bribes from Ford, despite its status as a domestic company?
 
That's the thing with conspiracy theories - they fall apart so quickly with an application of the facts.
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Re: What does [marsha7] by sls002
Dec 31, 2007 (11:14 am)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Dec 30, 2007 6:51 pm)

I would suggest that if you are serious about fuel consumption that you do not want the performance axle ratio (3.71:1) on the DTS performance model. The CXS Lucerne comes with magnetic ride and wider lower profile tires for better handling. The axle ratio is 3.11:1. With that axle ratio and cruising 70 MPH, my 2002 Seville could get about 29 MPG on long highway trips. It was rated 18/27 by the EPA in 2002, the comparable 2008 rating is 16/25.
 
For comparison, my 2007 SRX got about 20 MPG on a long highway trip, but it was still kind of new. I get about 18 MPG in day to day driving, although now that winter has set in (where did global warming go ) I seem to be getting more like 17.

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