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Automotive News & Views Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?
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The ugly new LX570 isnt going to make a dent in Escalde sales, especially at $73k. No it's not going to because the LX570 is totally in a different category/time zone/universe than the bling-bling 'Slade. When the day comes that I link "beauty" with "Escalade" I hope someone could put a bullet in my head to end my misery... |
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Why don't you try to compare 80s Caddy with 80s MB and BMW? Then try 90s Caddy with 90s BMW, MB and Lexus... Apples to apples here please.
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Hmmm. If style over substance floats your boat, then yes, Cadillac has plenty of pimpadelic g-crunk for you. 
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Replying to: louiswei (Dec 28, 2007 6:41 am) let me be crystal clear: Most cars from the 80s look like crap to me and I admire none of them. A 20 year old Cadillac is just as pathetic as a 20 year old MB. I do not find vehicles from the 70s and 80s to be desirable or stylish and that includes German cars. Please name 3 German cars that are more than 20 years old that are worthy of admiration by today's standards. Their interiors were plain and had poor ergonomics, their prices were sky high, their exteriors were dull, their engines were unimpressive by today's standards, their reliability was suspect and in many cases they lacked luxury features found in Cadillacs of similar vintage. By the 90s Cadillac was making vehicles with nice interiors and state of the art technology. The '98 STS and ETC had 300hp engines (more than the 540 or E430), nice wood trim, a fantastic Bose 4.0 sound system with 425watts and a 12" sub in the back, computer controlled suspension, auto wipers, adaptive seats, stabilitrak, etc. Cadillac began to come around as far back as the '92 STS which was MT car of the year. With the next generation they added refinement and interior quality. After that the next step was to go RWD to better compete with the Germans and Lexus.
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 28, 2007 6:57 am) I believe we are talking about Cadillac here so I propose let's stick with the topic. I really don't want to be part of another Caddy vs. the World discussion. But if you insist I can definitely come up with a list on top of my head.
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 28, 2007 6:57 am) I'd say the MB W126 (80s S-class), MB W124 (E-class) and R107 (70s-80s SL) are still worthy of praise. The 126 was the first truly modern large luxury car - a milestone vehicle of the period, the 124 was the first modern midsize luxury sedan that at least tried for a little performance (and was also sturdy and competent enough to spawn wagon, coupe, and cabrio variants), and the SL has been a moving target Caddy has been eyeing - and missing - for over 20 years. There are endless examples of these cars on the road today, so many years after the last ones rolled off the line. Poor ergonomics? I don't think GM designers even knew the term 'ergonomics' until about 1992  I've never bought the 'plain interior' argument either...some of us don't want button-tufted pillows to sit on as we drive. Many people could look inside an S-class built in 1980 and think it was 15 years newer. That's more significant.
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Replying to: louiswei (Dec 28, 2007 7:07 am) You suggest that Cadillacs of the past were crap but then say you dont want to get into specific comparions vs older imports. In my eyes the list doesnt matter. Cars of that era were inferior to today's vehicles in every single way and nothing being done by luxury imports was light years ahead of Cadillac. Cadillac made a different type of car than the Germans back then. it was a car that was designed for American tastes and at that time it made sense becaue Cadillac was the top selling brand until Lincoln passed them in 1998 or 1999. Cadillac's werent "bad" cars they were just cars made for luxury cruising, not attacking curves on the Autobahn. Over time the press and the public began to feel that Euro luxury was the only true definition of luxury and large, soft riding American luxury cars began to lose popularity as people wanted smaller, better handling vehicles with more emphasis on driving dynamics than luxury isolation. Bottom line, I'm not pining for ANY car from the 80s regardless of who made it.
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