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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: Road & Track comparison [fintail] by mrsyj
Dec 27, 2007 (5:56 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 26, 2007 2:42 pm)

"Many people think the real MB wood is fake anyway, so maybe it isn't a huge deal.
  
Some cars such as my E55 have the dark or grey wood, some people don't even think it is wood, but marble. "
 
I agree 100%, the wood in the M class looks very fake to me. I find Lexus and Cadillac real wood to be more authentic than the wood used in MB models.
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Re: Road & Track comparison [trimaster] by mrsyj
Dec 27, 2007 (6:03 am)
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Replying to: trimaster (Dec 26, 2007 8:55 pm)

"It's almost as if you're mking excuses for GM. So are you saying that they couldn't have doe anything to prevent Toyota from as GM helpless and did everything they could to prevent them from being in the situation they are in? "
 
I said nothing of the kind. I didnt know GM bashing was a prerequisite for this forum so I'm not sure why I am being attacked for "making excuses" for GM. I am merely acknowledging facts that many anti GM people chose to ignore. GM could have done a better job adopting the quality initiatives pioneered by the Japanese. They could have done more to stem the marketshare losses. They could have made better small cars in the 80s and 90s. Happy now? That said, marketshare losses could not be averted and to suggest otherwise ignores the competitiveness of this market. If Toyota had 50% share in 1970 and then was faced with several major offshore competitors invading its market it too would have lost share. Have you not noticed the growth of Toyota and Nissan's lineups in the last 20 years? Have you not noticed new players like Hyundai and Kia and Mini? Have you not noticed that BMW and MB have expanded into the SUV market and the lower end sub $30k market? All of the foreign players have expanded their lineups and dealership bases in the last 20 years and now most of them compete in almost every segment. Toyota just built a $1B factory to build 200k Tundras a year. In the long run that is likely to lead to lower share for GM and Ford. Thats the way the business works. Going forward we will likely see Toyota start to lose share as Hyundai and Nissan step up their efforts in the US market and go after Toyota customers. The hybrid segment is a great example. How much to you want to bet that Toyota's share of the hybrid market will be FAR lower in 2017 than it is in 2007? Toyota dominates due to lack of competiiton. Even if every Toyota hybrid is totally perfect from a reliability standpoint Toyota will lose share as GM, Ford and Honda launch hybrids over the next 5 years.
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OHC vs OHV vs pushrod by sls002
Dec 27, 2007 (8:49 am)
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Overhead cam engines come in the single and double types, where the double overhead cam pushes directly on the valve stem. The single overhead cam needs a rocker arm to push on the valve stem, as does the pushrod engine. The pushrod pushes the rocker arm and the cam (which is in the block) pushes the pushrod.
 
All of these engines have over head valves. If you want to consider a "barbaric" engine design, consider the L-head, where the in the block cam did push on the valve stem, but the design limited the compression ratio (and therefore the power output).
 
The basic limitation of the pushrod design seems to be that only 2 valves per cylinder are the common design, where the overhead cam design (particularly double OHC) uses 4 valves per cylinder. There are variations in the number of valves, but either two (pushrod) or four (dohc) is most common.
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Re: OHC vs OHV vs pushrod [sls002] by mrsyj
Dec 27, 2007 (10:22 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Dec 27, 2007 8:49 am)

The two major issues with pushrod engines is that they tend to have lower redlines and they cannot generate the same specific output as OHC engines. In trucks this isnt a big deal since most large V8 truck engines are relatively low revving and thus the 6.2L V8 in the Escalade (and the other vortec V8s) are perfectly acceptable solutions. Interestingly enough the GM truck V8s rev higher than several competing OHC designs. Its difficult to match the hp/l of a DOHC engine with a pushrod engine with 2 valves/cylinder but the gap is smaller now that it ever was before, especially when it comes to large V8s. Toyota's 5.7L makes 381hp and GM's 6L makes 367hp which is VERY close considering the Toyota V8 has 32 valves vs 16 for the GM V8.
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New here by onlygmmatters
Dec 27, 2007 (12:27 pm)
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Just wanted to pop in here and clarify things:
 
Cadillac is and always will be the "Standard" that all others will strive to become. I don't know why it's even questioned
 
Take for example the Escalade. There is nobody, not Mercedes, not BMW, not Audi/Lexus/Acura/Volvo who could design a more beautiful or powerful SUV like GM can. The Escalade is the Standard when you think of Luxury SUV's just like the Cadillac DTS and CTS are the best in their respective classes. The others just don't have the engineering prowess or the design engineering talent to build such a winning vehicle like GM can.
 
All the naysayers have no clue what they are talking about and are just bashing Cadillac just to hear themselves talk. There just jealous of Cadillacs success and future successes.
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Re: New here [onlygmmatters] by xrunner2
Dec 27, 2007 (12:35 pm)
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Replying to: onlygmmatters (Dec 27, 2007 12:27 pm)

Take for example the Escalade. There is nobody, not Mercedes, not BMW, not Audi/Lexus/Acura/Volvo who could design a more beautiful or powerful SUV like GM can.
 
Didn't the Escalade basically start out as a Chevy Tahoe? Chevy not in same league as Merc, BMW, Audi, Acura.
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Re: New here [onlygmmatters] by bumpy
Dec 27, 2007 (12:45 pm)
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Replying to: onlygmmatters (Dec 27, 2007 12:27 pm)

Cadillac is and always will be the "Standard" that all others will strive to become. I don't know why it's even questioned
 
A quick refresher:
 

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1970-1979-cadillac7.htm
 

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/663755
 

 

 

 

 
Cadillac hasn't built a world-class car in my lifetime, though the 2008 CTS is within striking distance.
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Re: New here [xrunner2] by onlygmmatters
Dec 27, 2007 (12:46 pm)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Dec 27, 2007 12:35 pm)

Your right it's not. Because Merc. BMW, Audi or Acura couldn't design or build a Tahoe either. GM rules when it comes to trucks. Just like Cadillac rules when it comes to being "The Standard of the World"
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Re: New here [bumpy] by onlygmmatters
Dec 27, 2007 (1:15 pm)
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Replying to: bumpy (Dec 27, 2007 12:45 pm)

I see nothing wrong with any of those. I'm sure if you went back in time to when ANY of those cars were on the market you would find that Cadillac was just as good if not better than the competition.
 
They had more style, were probably better built, had more horsepower and way more luxury than anything on the market.
 
The CTS is beyond striking distance, it has clearly made the others look like econoboxes. The first CTS was within striking distance.
 
Then it went on sale and hasn't looked back.
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Ay caramba! by bumpy
Dec 27, 2007 (1:26 pm)
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There is an automotive industry outside of the Ren Center, ya know.

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