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Replying to: lykourinou (Dec 26, 2007 2:39 pm) Some cars such as my E55 have the dark or grey wood, some people don't even think it is wood, but marble.
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 26, 2007 1:00 pm) dont think so. First of all I cant see Toyota letting their quality fall too far before making changes. I'm glad U said that. That's my point. Why couldn't GM do that? If they did, we wouldn't have this thread, and they wouldn't be playing catch up to all the imports. Furthermore the press is conditioned to make excuses for foreign brands and thus faults that get major negative commentary on domestic vehicles barely get mentioned on foreign vehicles. That is so not true. If that's the case, the C Class Merc and IS 350 would've fared better than the CTS in reviews. There are countless stories about Mercedes quality problems over the years. Why can't you just accept the fact that GM put out inferior products for years? Toyota has been turning out some of the cheapest looking interiors on the market recently and there has been minimal reaction from the press. That's because Toyota isn't known for their interior. If a person wants a good looking interior they'd get a Lexus. When did Toyota put quality interiors in their cars anyway???? Meanwhile GM and Chrysler interiors would be ripped for coming to market with the same designs and materials Do U have anything to back up these claims? If a domestic car has a check engine light come on they will be ready to trade it in for a Toyota ASAP. People of a certain age in this country have been conditioned to nearly worship foreign engineering for a long time and they refuse to believe that American cars arent as inferior as they have thought for the last 30+ years. Its incredible how many import loyalists will bash current domestics and then tell you in the next breath that they havent owned a domestic vehicle since the 80s but they are sure quality is the same now as it was then. You cant base a decision about ANYTHING on what happened 25 years ago. Whose fault is that? If anything those other makers did a great job of building brand loyalty over the years while GM was twiddling their thumbs. That's GM's fault and nobody elses. Why be mad at the consumer? If they want those customer's (and their kids) to come back to GM, they better build 1 helluva product.
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 26, 2007 2:42 pm) |
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 26, 2007 12:54 pm)  i'm a little confused as to why you are getting offended. I said nothing "persona", I could have substituted "people" for you. In other words most people wouldnt be skeptical of buying a Lexus in spite of the rash of recent Toyota quality issues but when GM issues a recall its like the end of the world. My apologies. Sorry about that! I see your point, but you want pele to forget the past and they won't. That's why Toyota quality issues haven't hurt them yet. There's a lag time in both cases. |
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 26, 2007 12:54 pm) It's almost as if you're mking excuses for GM. So are you saying that they couldn't have doe anything to prevent Toyota from as GM helpless and did everything they could to prevent them from being in the situation they are in?
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In the last year or so I'm developing faith in GM with products such as the new Escalade, CTS, Pontiac with their hardtop convertible, and Buick with the new Enclave. They are putting out vehicles that people want, they have extended the warranty coverage and are starting to stand behind their vehicles. I know the Esclade lacks some basic standard features that MB and Infiniti deam standard but GM is coming around. That being said I know some people have had issues with the new Esclade from vibrating mirrors to transmission failures to engine hesitations. Not all the Esclades do this, this is definately a quality issue, but that being said we have to sometimes resist the temptation of purchasing a vehicle (brand new or redesign) when it first comes out. It's good to let a model year or two go by just so manufacturers can get the bugs out. As far as the driver mirror on the Escalade that vibrates, I read the review on JD power.com that said that they noticed upon testing the vehicle that at speeds of 50 mph or more their was an annoying whistling sound coming from the driver mirror. The second Escalade they drove did not exhibit this.. Long term tests that I've read on other sites list the engine as the most powerful in it's class and say that it is of great quality and endurance. With active valve timing as a first on a pushrod engine. GM has seem to hit a homerun. At this point we can only sit back and watch and hope and pray that GM continues to put out the vehicles that we want and that they produce the quality that meets or exceeds it's competitors.
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Replying to: laurasdada (Dec 26, 2007 1:23 pm) To be honest I think the perceived quality of 10 year old domestics is worse than their actual quality. Materials, and to some extent build quality, lagged the imports 10-15 years ago as did refinement. Those days are over now. A quick drive of a current domestic car and a look at the dB measurements at idle and at 70mph show that refinement has come a long way. As for build quality and plastics, todays domestics (except some Chryslers) are on par with anything Toyota and Nissan are putting out. In fact I find GM's interiors to be better than those two Asian companies generally speaking. No one who defends Toyota should have any critical words about GM's recent interiors. The Tundra, Camry, Rav4 and Scion models are full of hard plastics.
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 27, 2007 5:40 am) I dont think you have to worry about anything. GM has totally changed the way it designs vehicles and is now pulling resources from Europe, Asia and Australia to get the best vehicles possible. No longer will people have to ask why GM's best vehicles are only sold overseas. And the best part is GM is doing all this while making no money in the US market. If that ever changes you can expect them to take things to another level. |
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Replying to: lykourinou (Dec 26, 2007 2:28 pm) The XLR needs to be updated as does the STS to some degree. I like the CTS, DTS, Escalade and SRX interiors. They are very competitive with anything from MB or Lexus. The 2007 refresh of the SRX interior took it from worst in class to one of the best.
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Replying to: lykourinou (Dec 26, 2007 2:32 pm) First of all Ford uses SOHC and DOHC engines. GM doesnt make one single SOHC engine. SOHC and pushrod are not the same thing. The 6.2L engine in the Escalade is extremely powerful and outpowers the 5.5l DOHC V8 from Mercedes. It is state of the art with all aluminum construction and VVT. MB just started using VVT about two years ago for the record. Chrysler uses all OHC engines except for the HEMI and their lower end minivan engine. The HEMI is low tech compared to some of GM's pushrod engines but its very effective and refined for the price. Today's OHV engines are anything but archaic and if you review the tech specs you will see that. It should also be noted that the SRX, CTS, STS and XLR use DOHC engines. The only Caddies that do not are the CTS-V and Escalade. The new CTS-V is likely to produce in excess of 500hp from its "low tech" supercharged 6.2L V8 which is enough to leave the C63 and IS-F in the dust. |
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