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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 26, 2007 10:20 am) I hear what you are saying, but you will have to admitt that GM / Chrylser / Ford all use SOC engines while the rest of the world uses DOC. The push rod American engines are outdated and barbaric. Granted I would be tempted to buy a QX over an Escalade, GM and American Cars in gerneral have given themselves a stigma due to cutting too many corners. That being said, I do adore the new EScalade.
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Replying to: lykourinou (Dec 26, 2007 2:28 pm) |
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Replying to: louiswei (Dec 26, 2007 2:35 pm) I know it sucks I wish the wood was real.
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Replying to: lykourinou (Dec 26, 2007 2:39 pm) Some cars such as my E55 have the dark or grey wood, some people don't even think it is wood, but marble.
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 26, 2007 1:00 pm) dont think so. First of all I cant see Toyota letting their quality fall too far before making changes. I'm glad U said that. That's my point. Why couldn't GM do that? If they did, we wouldn't have this thread, and they wouldn't be playing catch up to all the imports. Furthermore the press is conditioned to make excuses for foreign brands and thus faults that get major negative commentary on domestic vehicles barely get mentioned on foreign vehicles. That is so not true. If that's the case, the C Class Merc and IS 350 would've fared better than the CTS in reviews. There are countless stories about Mercedes quality problems over the years. Why can't you just accept the fact that GM put out inferior products for years? Toyota has been turning out some of the cheapest looking interiors on the market recently and there has been minimal reaction from the press. That's because Toyota isn't known for their interior. If a person wants a good looking interior they'd get a Lexus. When did Toyota put quality interiors in their cars anyway???? Meanwhile GM and Chrysler interiors would be ripped for coming to market with the same designs and materials Do U have anything to back up these claims? If a domestic car has a check engine light come on they will be ready to trade it in for a Toyota ASAP. People of a certain age in this country have been conditioned to nearly worship foreign engineering for a long time and they refuse to believe that American cars arent as inferior as they have thought for the last 30+ years. Its incredible how many import loyalists will bash current domestics and then tell you in the next breath that they havent owned a domestic vehicle since the 80s but they are sure quality is the same now as it was then. You cant base a decision about ANYTHING on what happened 25 years ago. Whose fault is that? If anything those other makers did a great job of building brand loyalty over the years while GM was twiddling their thumbs. That's GM's fault and nobody elses. Why be mad at the consumer? If they want those customer's (and their kids) to come back to GM, they better build 1 helluva product.
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 26, 2007 2:42 pm) |
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 26, 2007 12:54 pm)  i'm a little confused as to why you are getting offended. I said nothing "persona", I could have substituted "people" for you. In other words most people wouldnt be skeptical of buying a Lexus in spite of the rash of recent Toyota quality issues but when GM issues a recall its like the end of the world. My apologies. Sorry about that! I see your point, but you want pele to forget the past and they won't. That's why Toyota quality issues haven't hurt them yet. There's a lag time in both cases. |
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 26, 2007 12:54 pm) It's almost as if you're mking excuses for GM. So are you saying that they couldn't have doe anything to prevent Toyota from as GM helpless and did everything they could to prevent them from being in the situation they are in?
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In the last year or so I'm developing faith in GM with products such as the new Escalade, CTS, Pontiac with their hardtop convertible, and Buick with the new Enclave. They are putting out vehicles that people want, they have extended the warranty coverage and are starting to stand behind their vehicles. I know the Esclade lacks some basic standard features that MB and Infiniti deam standard but GM is coming around. That being said I know some people have had issues with the new Esclade from vibrating mirrors to transmission failures to engine hesitations. Not all the Esclades do this, this is definately a quality issue, but that being said we have to sometimes resist the temptation of purchasing a vehicle (brand new or redesign) when it first comes out. It's good to let a model year or two go by just so manufacturers can get the bugs out. As far as the driver mirror on the Escalade that vibrates, I read the review on JD power.com that said that they noticed upon testing the vehicle that at speeds of 50 mph or more their was an annoying whistling sound coming from the driver mirror. The second Escalade they drove did not exhibit this.. Long term tests that I've read on other sites list the engine as the most powerful in it's class and say that it is of great quality and endurance. With active valve timing as a first on a pushrod engine. GM has seem to hit a homerun. At this point we can only sit back and watch and hope and pray that GM continues to put out the vehicles that we want and that they produce the quality that meets or exceeds it's competitors.
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Replying to: laurasdada (Dec 26, 2007 1:23 pm) To be honest I think the perceived quality of 10 year old domestics is worse than their actual quality. Materials, and to some extent build quality, lagged the imports 10-15 years ago as did refinement. Those days are over now. A quick drive of a current domestic car and a look at the dB measurements at idle and at 70mph show that refinement has come a long way. As for build quality and plastics, todays domestics (except some Chryslers) are on par with anything Toyota and Nissan are putting out. In fact I find GM's interiors to be better than those two Asian companies generally speaking. No one who defends Toyota should have any critical words about GM's recent interiors. The Tundra, Camry, Rav4 and Scion models are full of hard plastics.
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