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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 26, 2007 12:54 pm) One big reason was that the econoboxes were, well, economical to operate if you didn't mind a small car with a small motor and minimal accountrements that got great gas mileage compared to small car offerings from the US brands of the time. I still recall giving one coworker rides to work when is Rabbit VW didn't hippity-hop to work. But when it ran, he saved a whole bunch of money. That was late 70s or early 80s. |
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 26, 2007 11:41 am) Well, the problem for me/family, is that in the last 30 years we've really had no issues with Japanese cars. That said, in my sales days, besides the aforementioned Olds, I had a Mercury Sable and Dodge Intrepid company cars. The Sable was fine as was the Dodge. What was noticeable in both, compared to my personal cars (Nissan, Saab Lexus) was lesser build quality (moreso the Intrepid) & interior materials, floatier rides and noisier. But no reliablity issues that I can really recall. Interestingly, though my company started phasing out domestic co. cars and phasing in Japanese... I liked the Intrepid enough to let me buy a '99 Chrysler 300M with less trepidation, a car I thoroughly enjoyed. Lousy exterior build quality, though. But, it was a Chrysler!  Still may buy an '06 XLR, if I can get it for less than 50% of msrp. But, that's still in the same $ neighborhood of new BMW 3 converts, among others...
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 26, 2007 11:45 am)
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 26, 2007 10:20 am) I hear what you are saying, but you will have to admitt that GM / Chrylser / Ford all use SOC engines while the rest of the world uses DOC. The push rod American engines are outdated and barbaric. Granted I would be tempted to buy a QX over an Escalade, GM and American Cars in gerneral have given themselves a stigma due to cutting too many corners. That being said, I do adore the new EScalade.
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Replying to: lykourinou (Dec 26, 2007 2:28 pm) |
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Replying to: louiswei (Dec 26, 2007 2:35 pm) I know it sucks I wish the wood was real.
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Replying to: lykourinou (Dec 26, 2007 2:39 pm) Some cars such as my E55 have the dark or grey wood, some people don't even think it is wood, but marble.
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 26, 2007 1:00 pm) dont think so. First of all I cant see Toyota letting their quality fall too far before making changes. I'm glad U said that. That's my point. Why couldn't GM do that? If they did, we wouldn't have this thread, and they wouldn't be playing catch up to all the imports. Furthermore the press is conditioned to make excuses for foreign brands and thus faults that get major negative commentary on domestic vehicles barely get mentioned on foreign vehicles. That is so not true. If that's the case, the C Class Merc and IS 350 would've fared better than the CTS in reviews. There are countless stories about Mercedes quality problems over the years. Why can't you just accept the fact that GM put out inferior products for years? Toyota has been turning out some of the cheapest looking interiors on the market recently and there has been minimal reaction from the press. That's because Toyota isn't known for their interior. If a person wants a good looking interior they'd get a Lexus. When did Toyota put quality interiors in their cars anyway???? Meanwhile GM and Chrysler interiors would be ripped for coming to market with the same designs and materials Do U have anything to back up these claims? If a domestic car has a check engine light come on they will be ready to trade it in for a Toyota ASAP. People of a certain age in this country have been conditioned to nearly worship foreign engineering for a long time and they refuse to believe that American cars arent as inferior as they have thought for the last 30+ years. Its incredible how many import loyalists will bash current domestics and then tell you in the next breath that they havent owned a domestic vehicle since the 80s but they are sure quality is the same now as it was then. You cant base a decision about ANYTHING on what happened 25 years ago. Whose fault is that? If anything those other makers did a great job of building brand loyalty over the years while GM was twiddling their thumbs. That's GM's fault and nobody elses. Why be mad at the consumer? If they want those customer's (and their kids) to come back to GM, they better build 1 helluva product.
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Replying to: fintail (Dec 26, 2007 2:42 pm) |
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 26, 2007 12:54 pm)  i'm a little confused as to why you are getting offended. I said nothing "persona", I could have substituted "people" for you. In other words most people wouldnt be skeptical of buying a Lexus in spite of the rash of recent Toyota quality issues but when GM issues a recall its like the end of the world. My apologies. Sorry about that! I see your point, but you want pele to forget the past and they won't. That's why Toyota quality issues haven't hurt them yet. There's a lag time in both cases. |
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