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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 26, 2007 5:28 am) Do U have any links to back up your sales claims? Don't get me wrong, I LIKE the CTS. I think it's a great looking car. I see the car everywhere here in my area.
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Replying to: sls002 (Dec 26, 2007 9:56 am) That's my point. GM doesn't need anymore bad publicity. Hopefully this won't sway buyers who are on the fence from buying a GM product.
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Replying to: trimaster (Dec 26, 2007 9:44 am) Spare me. Most recalls these days are for issues that havent even caused any accidents. You're acting like the recall is for failed brakes. Again, Toyota has recalled more vehicles than GM in recent years but I doubt you would hesitate to purchase a Lexus. Recalls come from nearly every manufacturer in the US market, they are hardly unique to GM nor does GM lead the industry in recalls. Problems are not unique to 1st year vehicles and a quick look at CR's detailed results in their auto issue will comfirm that. Problems may decrease after the first year but they do not disappear. If that were the case all 3rd year vehicles would be 100% reliable across the board and that isnt the case. |
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Replying to: trimaster (Dec 26, 2007 10:01 am) for those who really dont want a GM product any "bad news" will convince them to stay away while similar news from MB or Lexus would barely get their attention. I love it when people say foreign brands can "afford" to have bad quality news because they have such reputations. Bad news is bad news. Toyota has had numerous issues in recent years (some havent yet led to recalls) and yet there is no one calling for consumers to abandon them. I fail to see how its more tolerable for a company like Toyota or Mercedes to have declining quality just because they used to have top notch quality and yet people have so little patience with domestic products even though every reputable source says American quality continues to improve.
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Replying to: trimaster (Dec 26, 2007 9:58 am) Gm's sales data is available to anyone who wants to see it at http://media.gm.com:8221/us/gm/en/news/sales/index.html. Feel free to check it out for yourself. I saw G35 and Tl sales in press releases from their respective manufacturers at the beginning of the month. TL sales are down big time and G35 sales are up, but not exceeding CTS sales. In its best year I believe the CTS sold in excess of 50k units. I would be shocked if that record isnt broken next year.
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 26, 2007 10:17 am) |
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 26, 2007 10:25 am)  ) was my perception of the arrogance that they could keep putting out the same sub-standard cars year after year when I felt that the largest car company in the world certainly had the talent to build a better car. Finally, as of late, it appears that they are... Note that the TL (my current ride) for '08 will be in its 5th model year and is to be replaced in '09. So, sales decline is no great surprise.
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Replying to: laurasdada (Dec 26, 2007 11:11 am)
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Replying to: laurasdada (Dec 26, 2007 11:11 am) I understand the frustration of anyone who had problems with a particular model but I do find that people have nothing but excuses when their German or Japanese car is less than perfect but have no toleration of any difficulties with a GM product. GM has been turning it around for a while now and with a few exceptions (Aztec) they havent released many total duds in a while. I would say the changes became evident in the late 90s when models like the '98 STS, C5 vette and Olds Intrigue came on the scene. We are seeing more complete vehicles now than ever, but its not like they havent fielded anything competitive in decades. |
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Replying to: sls002 (Dec 26, 2007 11:24 am) The SRX has one of the best interiors in its segment. It shames the M class in pics and in person. The DTS is also very nice. The STS has high quality materials but the center stack is a little dull and features too much plastic. The wood and leather is top notch. Also, if you havent already check out pics of the Escalade Platinum, the interior is first rate with real woodgrain. The XLR is dated and needs some revision and the base Escalade should have real wood on the console but aside from that I think Cadillac interiors are fine.
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