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Replying to: laurasdada (Dec 25, 2007 6:08 pm) In the period of time around 1980, GM did make a number of blunders that lowered quality. The Catera was a German import though. The reliability of the Mercedes 600 was noexistent - it was/is a total unreliable car, when it is working (for a day or so at a time), it is a wonderful car, but it is worse for repairs than an old Jag. When the Japanese started to invade the US market, they knew that the American impression of Japanese products was that of the carnival trinkets. They knew that if they were to be successful they were going to have to have a quality product. GM's management foolishly thought noone could possibly catch up, and it took about two decades (from about 1975 to 1995) for GM to actually decline enough to get serious attention. The Ford Pinto fuel tank was probably the worst for endangering peoples lives. |
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 26, 2007 5:32 am) "For those that hate GM and the American auto industry there is nothing Cadillac can do to win their favor. " "For those that hate GM and the American auto industry there is nothing GM can do to win their favor." ****************************** ****************************** ****************************** To wit the statements here that GM has had nothing but bad cars for 30 years. Gimme a break.  Let's see: 1977 Cutlasss Supreme Brogham (Tan over dark brown) 350 4-barrel, great car 1980 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (Black w/ burgundy interior cloth) 260 V8 more economical 1981 Skylark 4-cyl 1985 Skyhawk OHC 4-cyl 1987 Century 4-cyl 1989 Century 3100 V6 1993 leSabre 3800 V6 1998 leSabre 3800 V6 Series II, much different motor for those who say GM used the same motor for 50 years 2003 leSabre 3800 V6 Series II, will buy another one
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 26, 2007 5:30 am) Just because "everyone" is recalling makes it OK for GM to have them also. Kinda reminds me of that old saying; if your friends jump off a bridge would you do it also? Recalls for the 2007 model is NOT a good thing. That's the last year of the product cycle and they were still having problems with it? The logic is the 1st year or 2 of the new style has quality issues, and the last year should have all the kinks worked out. There's no excuse for the 2007 model to have any issues.
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Replying to: trimaster (Dec 26, 2007 9:44 am) I really do not think that this recall proves anything.
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 26, 2007 5:28 am) Do U have any links to back up your sales claims? Don't get me wrong, I LIKE the CTS. I think it's a great looking car. I see the car everywhere here in my area.
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Replying to: sls002 (Dec 26, 2007 9:56 am) That's my point. GM doesn't need anymore bad publicity. Hopefully this won't sway buyers who are on the fence from buying a GM product.
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Replying to: trimaster (Dec 26, 2007 9:44 am) Spare me. Most recalls these days are for issues that havent even caused any accidents. You're acting like the recall is for failed brakes. Again, Toyota has recalled more vehicles than GM in recent years but I doubt you would hesitate to purchase a Lexus. Recalls come from nearly every manufacturer in the US market, they are hardly unique to GM nor does GM lead the industry in recalls. Problems are not unique to 1st year vehicles and a quick look at CR's detailed results in their auto issue will comfirm that. Problems may decrease after the first year but they do not disappear. If that were the case all 3rd year vehicles would be 100% reliable across the board and that isnt the case. |
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Replying to: trimaster (Dec 26, 2007 10:01 am) for those who really dont want a GM product any "bad news" will convince them to stay away while similar news from MB or Lexus would barely get their attention. I love it when people say foreign brands can "afford" to have bad quality news because they have such reputations. Bad news is bad news. Toyota has had numerous issues in recent years (some havent yet led to recalls) and yet there is no one calling for consumers to abandon them. I fail to see how its more tolerable for a company like Toyota or Mercedes to have declining quality just because they used to have top notch quality and yet people have so little patience with domestic products even though every reputable source says American quality continues to improve.
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Replying to: trimaster (Dec 26, 2007 9:58 am) Gm's sales data is available to anyone who wants to see it at http://media.gm.com:8221/us/gm/en/news/sales/index.html. Feel free to check it out for yourself. I saw G35 and Tl sales in press releases from their respective manufacturers at the beginning of the month. TL sales are down big time and G35 sales are up, but not exceeding CTS sales. In its best year I believe the CTS sold in excess of 50k units. I would be shocked if that record isnt broken next year.
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