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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 24, 2007 3:15 am) 
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Replying to: sls002 (Dec 21, 2007 12:47 pm) |
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Replying to: habitat1 (Dec 21, 2007 2:12 pm) from my perspective only die hard GM bashers find the CTS unattractive. I agree that styling is subjective but sometimes almost everyone agrees a design is on point. The CTS is one of those cases. Even the most jaded anti GM press outlets have praised the car for its looks and I agree 100%. Its certainly more original and compelling than anything coming out of Lexus these days. Nice to see a design that doesnt seem to be copied from Mercedes or BMW. |
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Replying to: trimaster (Dec 21, 2007 10:56 pm) Since its been on sale the 2008 CTS has outsold the C class, TL, IS, A4 and G35. I would say the car s doing just fine and will continue to do so. While there are many people who wont give the car a chance because its American and they hate American cars and would love to see GM go bankrupt, there are plenty of people who will drive a no excuse car like teh CTS. Read some of the consumer reviews right here on this site, many owners have traded in European cars. BTW, the CTS isnt too big compared to luxury cars like the E class, and 5 series. Its only big when compared to the compact 3 series and c class. I see nothing admirable about a compact luxury car that costs $40k. C&D noted the Civic is larger than the C class. While some people hold on to the notion that smaller means better handling we know there are plenty of midsize vehicles out here than handle just fine. Cadillac has been getting good reviews on their products since the 2003 CTS came out nearly 6 years ago. This isn't a new phenomenon. CAdillacs were criticized in the past for being too soft but they have never hit the quality lows than MB has hit in the last 10-15 years.
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Replying to: laurasdada (Dec 22, 2007 10:40 am) overstatement to say the least. We have no proof that GM has been making poor quality vehicles across the board for 30 years. In addition, lets remember that MB has never had a quality reputation equal to that of Lexus. In fact the Japanese luxury brands were the ones who taught the Euro brands that quality and customer service were important. Furthermore we know that GM quality is improving but I'm not sure we have much evidence of the same for MB. I would never exclude the CTS just because I thought MB made a better car than GM 30 years ago. That is irrelevant now. Right now all the surveys show Cadillac has better service and quality than Mercedes and thats all that matters.
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 25, 2007 7:03 am)  Pffft. Shill. |
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 25, 2007 7:03 am) You were doing just fine until that statement (well, except saying that Lexus' L-Finesse design is copied from BMW and MB. You need an eye check). True color always shows...
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Replying to: louiswei (Dec 25, 2007 10:23 am) |
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...make it personal. Reasonable people can disagree, and sweeping generalizations can be fallacious. |
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Replying to: louiswei (Dec 25, 2007 10:23 am) Across the board? There is no evidence. We do know that GM quality wasnt as good as Toyota quality in the past but that is not the same as saying every GM product ever made in the last 30 years was junk. My personal experience and the experiences of other car owners I know are proof of that. Gm had a problem with inconsistent quality but you cannot argue that they never made a quality vehicle until 2006 or 2007. I really havent heard much about MB quality other than Lexus sent them back to the drawing board after showing them luxury cars could be reliable. I'm not going to evaluate current offerings based on twisted perceptions of automotive qualityin the 80s nor am I going to base it on what people are the country club are going to think. The whole "but its a Mercedes" argument doesn't mean much to me when comparing luxury vehicles. I would take the CTS over the C class and the STS over the E class any day of the week. The supposed unreliability of 30 year old GM cars wouldn't affect my decision, nor would the fact that some friends would "respect" me more if I didnt drive a Cadillac. Frankly, the luxury cars that are revered by those in the 50s and 60s may not be what I want to be driving. I like the looks of the C and the E and to some degree the S, but none of them have the visual appeal of the CTS and none of them convey my youth the way the CTS would. Not that I can afford any of them. If Mercedes is the superior car company with the superior legacy of reliability and engineering then the C class should have more power than the CTS, more quality than the CTS, a better interior than the CTS and more features. It comes up short on all counts and Edmunds' long term car has had a malfunctioning sunroof already. I'll take my chances on a CTS with a warranty. I dont plan to keep any car for 200k miles so the chance that the C will get to that mark and the CTS supposedly wont is irrelevant to me. |
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