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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 21, 2007 10:34 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Dec 21, 2007 12:03 pm) In real world driving this is all moot anyway so it doesnt matter that the 3 series can pull .02gs more than the CTS. The buyers wont know and if it wasnt for precise testing the auto reviewers woudlnt even know. On top of that the CTS has outbraked its competition in every comparo I have seen. Apparently you can beat BMW in some things.
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 21, 2007 12:19 pm) I am not saying that I think Cadillac's are bad, but I am saying that they are not top dog. Car & Driver's comparison puts the CTS at 0.87, while the 3-series is 0.90 and the infinity is 0.89. This could mean that the R&T 5-series would have been at 0.92. In any case the CTS seems to be third rate, not second best. In a separate test (so comparing may not be valid), the Lexus IS F (C&D) got 0.92 G's, which may match the 5-series.
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 21, 2007 10:31 am) Perhaps if you are into chrome grills and Rock em Sock em Robot exterior lines. It's still ugly GM on the outside to me. Let's just say that looks are subjective and some have a taste for GM styling and others don't.
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Replying to: habitat1 (Dec 21, 2007 2:12 pm) Perhaps the 59 Cadillac's could make a comeback eldo 
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 21, 2007 10:31 am) You're looking at it from a logical point of view. Not only that, you almost come off as saying the CTS is the perfect car...lol With that said, some people ask the same question about cars like the Camry or Accord. They will say those are the prefect cars for a lot less money. Do we really need all the extras? No, we want them. But there will be plenty people who WILL choose a Merc C-Class over the Caddy CTS for many reasons: 1. It's a Benz. Not everyone is excited or impressed that Caddy has had a good year or 2. past reviews weren't favorable to the car. 2. Caddy doesn't have that image or wow factor that Mercedes has yet. They used to, but that was years ago. 3. You think the Caddy looks better then the Mercedes. Not everyone does. 4. The Caddy is too big. Some people do prefer smaller cars. 5. It's made by General Motors. There are many people who will NEVER buy an American car again. 6. Price. The Caddy CTS reviewed ( $44,715) costs more then the Mercedes C350 tested ($41,935.) Price is a big factor for some, especially when the standard model is $32-$34k. Some may say if I have to put another 10 grand into it I my as well get a Benz. Why? See #s 1 & 2 above... 7. Higher fuel economy? It wouldn't be a factor to me, but some people really look at those things. The Benz was 20.6, Caddy was 18.3 combined 8. The 2008 CTS is completely redesigned. Many people are leery of buying the 1st year new model. They have a wait & see approach... 9. Demographics. Here in Florida, I see people in their 50's and above driving the CTS. I see people 15-20 years younger driving the C Class. Is it like that everywhere? I have no clue, but that's what I see in my area. I see the CTS everywhere. It's a VERY popular car. I think the CTS is a nice car. I'm glad GM has a potential winner on their hands. Yes it has good reviews, but it all comes down to sales. Hopefully it does well.
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Replying to: trimaster (Dec 21, 2007 10:56 pm) "General Motors has announced the recall of 276,000 vehicles. The recall is due to a faulty pinion seal, which can cause fluid leaks. The recall affects the 2005-07 Cadillac CTS, CTS-V, SRX, STS and STS-V; 2006-07 Pontiac Solstice; and 2007 Saturn Sky. " Now we all know Mercedes has had its own quality problems of late. But that is just for the last 7 or 8 years? GM, well, quality issues have been a fact of life for about 30 years... I personally think the new CTS is a quantum leap above the prior version in terms of style. Not a fan of the front end, but they've done a nice job of cleaning up a bunch of the superfluous, overdone lines and shapes. And the prior CTS had possibly the worst interior style/materials that I"ve seen on a "Premium" car. The new interior works for me. Same issue with the XLR. I like it and am considering buying a used one as a toy. But the interior style and material appearance, and more importantly, the much too highg msrp spelled disappointing sales for the XLR from the get-go.
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I WILL any Cadillac over a Mercedes-Benz many reasons: 1. It's a Cadillac. I have always been excited or impressed by a Caddy. Mercedes has had many BAD years over the last 15. I don't think there's been a truly great Mercedes since the very excellent W126 S-Class. If any of my Cadillacs given me the grief that my brother-in-law's S430 has given him, I'd have defected to Lexus by now. 2. Caddy once again has the image or wow factor as it did years ago - not that I didn't like their styling even during their "dark ages." 3. Do I think the Caddy looks better then the Mercedes? YES!!!! 4. The Caddy DTS is the perfect size for me though I find the CTS too small. 5. It's made by General Motors: precisely ANOTHER REASON I buy a Cadillac! 6. Price. Heck yeah! I've always come out way ahead on price compared to a Benz. 7. Higher fuel economy? It not my biggest factor, but I'm still concerned about it. 8. The 2008 CTS is completely redesigned. Well so was my 1994 DeVille and it was pretty-much trouble-free. 9. Demographics? Well, I was only 24 when I bought my 1989 Cadillac Brougham, 29 when I bought my 1994 Cadillac DeVille, 37 when I bought my 2002 Cadillac Seville STS, and 42 when I got my 2007 Cadillac DTS Performance. All those ages are < 50! I also think the CTS is a nice car. I'm glad GM has a definate winner on their hands. Sometimes I think I should've got one of them instead of my DTS, but by the time I'd have optioned it out to the level of my DTS, I'd have paid more. |
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 22, 2007 1:25 pm) You are indeed a true blue Cadillac man !!!!  -Rocky |
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 22, 2007 1:25 pm) That's one I haven't heard before.  But hey, I do admire someone with passion, even if it's diametrically opposed to mine. Apathy is the root of most evil in the business world. Happy holidays.
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