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Replying to: trimaster (Dec 20, 2007 8:24 pm) 
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Dec 21, 2007 7:29 am) |
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Replying to: trimaster (Dec 20, 2007 8:24 pm) CTS has more space and a superior interior to C or A4 and has more power than both. I cant think of one good reason to buy a C or A4 over the 2008 CTS. Not to mention it looks better and has more space. Can you think of any good reasons not to get the CTS? I find the C class interior to be very bland and too plasticky for my tastes. The CTS is much warmer and has details such as a stitched dashboard that you wont find on the C class.
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Replying to: sls002 (Dec 21, 2007 7:54 am) I havent read any review that stated the CTS isnt close to the 3 or 5 in handling. The CTS pulled .89gs in Motor Trend which is very close to .9gs. R&T compared the CTS to G35 and had very little negative to say about the CTS even though it came in 2nd. The CTS' handling is world class, it posted a higher lane change speed than the 328i in the recent C&D comparo. That is very impressive when you consider the CTS weighs about 500lbs more than the BMW.
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 21, 2007 10:34 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Dec 21, 2007 12:03 pm) In real world driving this is all moot anyway so it doesnt matter that the 3 series can pull .02gs more than the CTS. The buyers wont know and if it wasnt for precise testing the auto reviewers woudlnt even know. On top of that the CTS has outbraked its competition in every comparo I have seen. Apparently you can beat BMW in some things.
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 21, 2007 12:19 pm) I am not saying that I think Cadillac's are bad, but I am saying that they are not top dog. Car & Driver's comparison puts the CTS at 0.87, while the 3-series is 0.90 and the infinity is 0.89. This could mean that the R&T 5-series would have been at 0.92. In any case the CTS seems to be third rate, not second best. In a separate test (so comparing may not be valid), the Lexus IS F (C&D) got 0.92 G's, which may match the 5-series.
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 21, 2007 10:31 am) Perhaps if you are into chrome grills and Rock em Sock em Robot exterior lines. It's still ugly GM on the outside to me. Let's just say that looks are subjective and some have a taste for GM styling and others don't.
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Replying to: habitat1 (Dec 21, 2007 2:12 pm) Perhaps the 59 Cadillac's could make a comeback eldo 
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 21, 2007 10:31 am) You're looking at it from a logical point of view. Not only that, you almost come off as saying the CTS is the perfect car...lol With that said, some people ask the same question about cars like the Camry or Accord. They will say those are the prefect cars for a lot less money. Do we really need all the extras? No, we want them. But there will be plenty people who WILL choose a Merc C-Class over the Caddy CTS for many reasons: 1. It's a Benz. Not everyone is excited or impressed that Caddy has had a good year or 2. past reviews weren't favorable to the car. 2. Caddy doesn't have that image or wow factor that Mercedes has yet. They used to, but that was years ago. 3. You think the Caddy looks better then the Mercedes. Not everyone does. 4. The Caddy is too big. Some people do prefer smaller cars. 5. It's made by General Motors. There are many people who will NEVER buy an American car again. 6. Price. The Caddy CTS reviewed ( $44,715) costs more then the Mercedes C350 tested ($41,935.) Price is a big factor for some, especially when the standard model is $32-$34k. Some may say if I have to put another 10 grand into it I my as well get a Benz. Why? See #s 1 & 2 above... 7. Higher fuel economy? It wouldn't be a factor to me, but some people really look at those things. The Benz was 20.6, Caddy was 18.3 combined 8. The 2008 CTS is completely redesigned. Many people are leery of buying the 1st year new model. They have a wait & see approach... 9. Demographics. Here in Florida, I see people in their 50's and above driving the CTS. I see people 15-20 years younger driving the C Class. Is it like that everywhere? I have no clue, but that's what I see in my area. I see the CTS everywhere. It's a VERY popular car. I think the CTS is a nice car. I'm glad GM has a potential winner on their hands. Yes it has good reviews, but it all comes down to sales. Hopefully it does well.
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