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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: Road & Track comparison [mrsyj] by trimaster
Dec 20, 2007 (8:24 pm)
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 20, 2007 12:39 pm)


If you are talking about sports sedans most German car owners do not respect Lexus.

 
Oh no. I wasn't talking about the sports cars. i was referring to the LS and how it has fared against the S and 7. The IS hasn't done well and the GS is worse. The ES is, well, I don't know WHAT the ES is, but it sells. It's not compared to any Bimmer or Benz IM...
 

the CTS is a better car than the A4 and C class right now. The 3 is sportier but not necessarily a better all around car. There is no objective reason to by a competing Audi or MB over the CTS.

 
Objective reason?
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Re: Cadillac V-Series........... [habitat1] by rockylee
Dec 20, 2007 (9:54 pm)
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Replying to: habitat1 (Dec 20, 2007 3:15 am)

Rocky, I will give the best GM can serve up a test drive.
 
I do want you to give the CTS-V a try habitat1
 
-Rocky
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WSJ article Dec 21 on CTS by xrunner2
Dec 21, 2007 (7:29 am)
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Dec 21 edition of WSJ has an article on the 08 CTS. It mentions that CTS was Motor Trend’s car of the year. It has a table listing specs of CTS, G35, Lexus GS and 5 Series.
 
The writer, Jeff Sabatini said that CTS is now a legitimate competitor to any sub $50K sedan on the market. Other items in the article:
 
“Inside, the improvements are more revolutionary, starting with a wholesale upgrade of the materials and design. The crowning achievement is an elegant implementation of the navigation-system display….If anything can cause the German auto makers to feel shame for their maladroit efforts at integrating navigation screens, the CTS can. Cadillac has clearly set the industry standard.”
 
“Staking a place amid the crowded field of rear-wheel drive luxury sedans with sporting pretensions is a tricky business, but Cadillac has positioned the new CTS almost perfectly to maximize its marketability. Like the old CTS, the new one is roughly the size of the BMW 5-Series but priced closer to the smaller BMW 3-Series. It’s flashier than a Mercedes C-Class, more fun to drive than any Lexus and more comfortable than either BMW.”
 
“….what really impresses about the CTS is that it captures GM doing two things for which it historically has shown little capacity. The first is continuing to improve a product over successive generations; the second is paying attention to details. Both practices will be far more important to the company’s long-term success than the fleeting acclaim of this single model.”
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Re: Cadillac V-Series........... [mrsyj] by sls002
Dec 21, 2007 (7:54 am)
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Replying to: mrsyj (Dec 20, 2007 12:47 pm)

My SRX's (a 2007) interior is OK, but for the money I think it could have been, and should have been, better. But it is a utility vehicle, so perhaps it is more or less what it ought to be. I would expect the STS interior to be much nicer. The CTS is probably OK.
 
As far as the CTS's handling goes, Road and Track does not think it is nearly in the 5-series class. Both the 3-series and 5-series can do 0.9 G's on a skidpad.
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Re: Road & Track comparison [trimaster] by sls002
Dec 21, 2007 (7:55 am)
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Replying to: trimaster (Dec 20, 2007 8:24 pm)

it is a lexus camry
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Re: WSJ article Dec 21 on CTS [xrunner2] by fintail
Dec 21, 2007 (8:36 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Dec 21, 2007 7:29 am)

I haven't seen it in person, but isn't the CTS Nav display very much like that of the C-class? I've seen the new C Nav in person, and it's pretty slick...the CTS looked very similar in the pics I saw.
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Re: Road & Track comparison [trimaster] by mrsyj
Dec 21, 2007 (10:31 am)
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Replying to: trimaster (Dec 20, 2007 8:24 pm)

"Objective reason? "
 
CTS has more space and a superior interior to C or A4 and has more power than both. I cant think of one good reason to buy a C or A4 over the 2008 CTS. Not to mention it looks better and has more space. Can you think of any good reasons not to get the CTS? I find the C class interior to be very bland and too plasticky for my tastes. The CTS is much warmer and has details such as a stitched dashboard that you wont find on the C class.
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Re: Cadillac V-Series........... [sls002] by mrsyj
Dec 21, 2007 (10:34 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Dec 21, 2007 7:54 am)

"As far as the CTS's handling goes, Road and Track does not think it is nearly in the 5-series class. Both the 3-series and 5-series can do 0.9 G's on a skidpad. "
 
I havent read any review that stated the CTS isnt close to the 3 or 5 in handling. The CTS pulled .89gs in Motor Trend which is very close to .9gs. R&T compared the CTS to G35 and had very little negative to say about the CTS even though it came in 2nd. The CTS' handling is world class, it posted a higher lane change speed than the 328i in the recent C&D comparo. That is very impressive when you consider the CTS weighs about 500lbs more than the BMW.

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