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Automotive News & Views Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?
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Replying to: sls002 (Dec 03, 2007 11:00 am) OK. I'm even more confused. On this website, the comparo is against the E- Class and 5 series. Yet Caddy markets the car against the 3? Y market a car the size of a 5-series against a 3-series??? So it handles like a smaller car then? If not, that makes NO SENSE.
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 13, 2007 12:57 am) I believe "The Standard of the World" claim will be cemented once again by Cadillac around 2013' We should by then know how the line-up will look or close to it as all the good stuff will have came out. They need to build the ULS, Cien, STS/DTS replacement, along with the CTC and CTS wagon and Cadillac, will be crowned King of Automobiles, a title I would say Lexus, probably owns. However Cadillac, is inching closer and closer to Lexus, and the CTS, is just one example of more great things to come. Time will tell! If it's possible I think it'll take much longer than that. |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 13, 2007 5:04 am) Infiniti maybe? But Lexus has never said they were better in the performance category than BMW, especially the M series. Lexus has traditionally not been after that market. May change with their performance series but I do not believe they have thrown down the gauntlet like Lutz did. I remember seeing threads on the luxury lounge where there was talk of the GS being the BMW "5-series killer." The talk may or not been in terms of prformance, but they were definetly talking about in terms of sales. |
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 13, 2007 12:57 am) I agree that Cadillac is "inching" closer to Lexus. Unfortunately, they are about a half mile away and by the time 2013 comes around, Lexus (and BMW, Acura, etc. etc.) will be that much further ahead. Your perenial optimism of always looking to the future and overlooking the dismal performance of GM in the here and now is resiliant, if nothing else. But I don't think it's particularly healthy, if you really do care about GM. IMO, if the US auto industry is going to ever become qualified to even compete for a "world standard" title, the management, UAW and everybody that is an apologist for what the current state of affairs is needs to be sent to Siberia. The industry is way beyond an incremental, let's wait until 2013, fix. They are like weekend hackers trying to compete with Tiger Woods - and he's still getting better, himself. The US companies need a serious makeover, not a new sleeve of balls. And they need it NOW. I have several friends and associates that have test driven the new CTS as their various other cars (Audi, Acura, MB, BMW, Infiniti, Lexus to name a few) have come off lease in the last 3-4 months. So far, no takers. Those that are comparing it to a 5 series - are you nuts?? The car has less rear seat width and shoulder room than a 3-series. It is not a family friendly car and for those that are looking for a more sporty drive, it is an overweight, uninspired offering compared to a 328i/335i. I'd honestly like to see a shake up at GM and a seriously competitive offering to come out that would cause me to consider an American car the next time around. But between Mattel Toy chrome crazed styling and driving dynamics that are always playing catch up, I am not holding my breath. But, in deference to your resiliance, Rocky, I will give the best GM can serve up a test drive.
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Replying to: trimaster (Dec 19, 2007 10:43 pm) As far as handling goes, Road and Track says that the new CTS does not handle like a 5-series. I think that being a bigger car its handling is not quite as good as the 3-series, which is the standard for sport sedans. The 3-series handling is better than the 5-series, which is why the 3-series is one of Car&Drivers 10 best, while the 5-series does not make the list (3-series has been on the list for the last 5 years, 5-series has not).
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Replying to: jkr2106 (Dec 19, 2007 9:18 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Dec 20, 2007 8:18 am) Cadillac is very serious and they have been for the last 5 years or so. The CTS-V will continue to show they are serious about performance and design. The STS doesnt get a lot of credit but its handling, features and standard power make it a bargain compared to the 530 or E350. The E class starts at $50k compared ot $42k for the STS which is just as capable and more powerful and has standard features like push button start. |
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Replying to: trimaster (Dec 19, 2007 9:34 pm) If you are talking about sports sedans most German car owners do not respect Lexus. I would say at this point Cadillac has more credibility as a sports sedan maker than LExus. Lexus is just launching the ISF three years after Caddy launched the V series and no lexus will ever be available with a manual transmission. The base IS and GS have been roundly criticized as lacking in the sporting department. The current CTS, and to a lesser extent the old one, has been praised as a legit sports sedan, not just a RWD luxury car. LExus refuses to compromise when it comes to making Japanese Buicks and thus they wont go that extra mile to make a real sports sedan. The ISF might be the first example of a Lexus that gives up a little luxury in the name of sport. Actually the first IS was an example as well but it was a flop. the CTS is a better car than the A4 and C class right now. The 3 is sportier but not necessarily a better all around car. There is no objective reason to by a competing Audi or MB over the CTS.
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Replying to: habitat1 (Dec 20, 2007 3:15 am) Gm's vehicles are more competitive than ever. I'm not sure where they are playing catch up. The CTS plays 2nd fiddle to no car in this class. Its interior is superior to the C class and A4. Its also superior in terms of engines. The only area where Caddy was behind was in interiors and that is over now as evidenced by the SRX and CTS interiors. No need to wait until 2013 for Caddy to "catch up", they are already there. In fact from a performance standpoint they are ahead of Acura, Infiniti and Lexus. The V series cars put them on a level those brands havent reached yet in terms of credibility.
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 20, 2007 10:54 am)
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