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Automotive News & Views Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?
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Replying to: louiswei (Nov 12, 2007 1:08 pm) I don't think it's entirely right to say that BMW and MB owners won't switch to Caddy. I am pretty sure there are still open minded German owners who know s good product when they see one (oh shut up, I am not saying that most German owners are close minded bas***ds ). However, I'll admit that it'll probably be harder for the loyal German owners to switch since they have been under German kool-aid poisoning for a long time. LOL Y does it have to be Poison Kool Aid? lol U gotta give credit where credit's due! If Caddy wants to woo german enthusiasts, they will have to produce a FANTASTIC car. Lexus did it, so maybe Caddy can do it also. Criticizing the german car drivers won't do it. Build a better car and they MIGHT follow.
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Replying to: volvomax (Nov 12, 2007 2:34 pm) Yes, Cadillac may be more reliable, yes it is certainly cheaper. But, you have ALOT to learn about what motivates,or de-motiavtes car buyers. Esp luxury ones. Lux cars are bough primarily on image and cachet. Cadillac's image is well below the Germans. It just is. Let's not forget the driving experience itself. Some may think luxury cars are all about image, but many of them are a BLAST to drive in some shape, fashion or form. Other models just can't replicate that driving experience in many cases. |
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 15, 2007 2:20 pm) OK. I'm confused again. Is the CTS going up against the 3 series, the 5 series, the C Class or E Class? Is it in it's own niche? or is it going against everybody? 1 poster said it'd be a better comparo against the E class. The E class has a better interior than the C. Another poster said it has it's on niche. It's in between the 3 and 5: bigger than the 3, but smaller and cheaper than the 5. U guys are killin me...lol |
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Replying to: sls002 (Dec 03, 2007 11:00 am) OK. I'm even more confused. On this website, the comparo is against the E- Class and 5 series. Yet Caddy markets the car against the 3? Y market a car the size of a 5-series against a 3-series??? So it handles like a smaller car then? If not, that makes NO SENSE.
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 13, 2007 12:57 am) I believe "The Standard of the World" claim will be cemented once again by Cadillac around 2013' We should by then know how the line-up will look or close to it as all the good stuff will have came out. They need to build the ULS, Cien, STS/DTS replacement, along with the CTC and CTS wagon and Cadillac, will be crowned King of Automobiles, a title I would say Lexus, probably owns. However Cadillac, is inching closer and closer to Lexus, and the CTS, is just one example of more great things to come. Time will tell! If it's possible I think it'll take much longer than that. |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 13, 2007 5:04 am) Infiniti maybe? But Lexus has never said they were better in the performance category than BMW, especially the M series. Lexus has traditionally not been after that market. May change with their performance series but I do not believe they have thrown down the gauntlet like Lutz did. I remember seeing threads on the luxury lounge where there was talk of the GS being the BMW "5-series killer." The talk may or not been in terms of prformance, but they were definetly talking about in terms of sales. |
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Replying to: rockylee (Dec 13, 2007 12:57 am) I agree that Cadillac is "inching" closer to Lexus. Unfortunately, they are about a half mile away and by the time 2013 comes around, Lexus (and BMW, Acura, etc. etc.) will be that much further ahead. Your perenial optimism of always looking to the future and overlooking the dismal performance of GM in the here and now is resiliant, if nothing else. But I don't think it's particularly healthy, if you really do care about GM. IMO, if the US auto industry is going to ever become qualified to even compete for a "world standard" title, the management, UAW and everybody that is an apologist for what the current state of affairs is needs to be sent to Siberia. The industry is way beyond an incremental, let's wait until 2013, fix. They are like weekend hackers trying to compete with Tiger Woods - and he's still getting better, himself. The US companies need a serious makeover, not a new sleeve of balls. And they need it NOW. I have several friends and associates that have test driven the new CTS as their various other cars (Audi, Acura, MB, BMW, Infiniti, Lexus to name a few) have come off lease in the last 3-4 months. So far, no takers. Those that are comparing it to a 5 series - are you nuts?? The car has less rear seat width and shoulder room than a 3-series. It is not a family friendly car and for those that are looking for a more sporty drive, it is an overweight, uninspired offering compared to a 328i/335i. I'd honestly like to see a shake up at GM and a seriously competitive offering to come out that would cause me to consider an American car the next time around. But between Mattel Toy chrome crazed styling and driving dynamics that are always playing catch up, I am not holding my breath. But, in deference to your resiliance, Rocky, I will give the best GM can serve up a test drive.
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Replying to: trimaster (Dec 19, 2007 10:43 pm) As far as handling goes, Road and Track says that the new CTS does not handle like a 5-series. I think that being a bigger car its handling is not quite as good as the 3-series, which is the standard for sport sedans. The 3-series handling is better than the 5-series, which is why the 3-series is one of Car&Drivers 10 best, while the 5-series does not make the list (3-series has been on the list for the last 5 years, 5-series has not).
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Replying to: jkr2106 (Dec 19, 2007 9:18 pm)
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