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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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What is this discussion about? Cadillac Escalade, Cadillac XLR, Cadillac STS, Automotive News


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Re: Road & Track comparison [sguerr] by lemko
Nov 15, 2007 (5:20 am)
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Replying to: sguerr (Nov 14, 2007 8:59 pm)

The new CTS is WAY nicer than the Mercedes C30. You're paying way too much for that three-pointed star on the hood. Heck, a new Malibu is probably nicer than a C30.
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Re: Road & Track comparison [lemko] by bumpy
Nov 15, 2007 (6:51 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 15, 2007 5:20 am)

C30 is a Volvo.
 

 
The proper comparison for the CTS is to the E-class anyway.
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Re: Road & Track comparison [bumpy] by sls002
Nov 15, 2007 (7:32 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Nov 15, 2007 6:51 am)

While the CTS may be about the same size as and E-class, I very much doubt that it compares in quality of materials (interior for example) or over all refinement with the E-class. For the money, the CTS is a good car, but it is an entry level luxury car or sports sedan. Entry level luxury means not quite luxury, which is what top of the line Buicks and Oldsmobiles used to be.
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Re: sls002 [rockylee] by sls002
Nov 15, 2007 (8:11 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 14, 2007 2:54 pm)

You get more than just bigger wheels and tires. The radiator grill is more like the V-series grills and I also get a limited slip rear end with AWD. AWD is not available with limited slip otherwise.
 
Magnetic ride is not available on the V-series STS, and is only available on one trim level on the base STS model. My impression is that Magnetic ride at Cadillac is more for ride than handling. My tires are 50 series, while the base tires on the SRX are 60's in front and 55's in back. My tires should improve handling a bit over the standard tires. But I wanted them so I could rotate tires and hopefully have them all last longer. The limited slip rear axle should help on icy roads too.
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Re: Road & Track comparison [sguerr] by british_rover
Nov 15, 2007 (9:54 am)
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Replying to: sguerr (Nov 14, 2007 8:59 pm)

The Escalade is just a tahoe with a bigger engine and more bling. They even use the same steering wheel adjustment so every time you move the wheel you are reminded how much money you wasted on your blinged tahoe. (They might have finally put in a nicer wheel adjustment on the brand new tahoe the last one I drove had the wheel in the right place so I didn't move it)
 
The GX470 is a gussied up 4Runner/Prado.
 
The Sequoia does not have a Lexus derivative.
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Re: Road & Track comparison [rockylee] by volvomax
Nov 15, 2007 (9:59 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 14, 2007 8:55 pm)

compared to ?
 
Uh, the Germans.
Look at the fit/finish of a Benz, Bimmer, Audi.
Look at the quality of the plastics,materials.
 
Well they might not be scared of it but it sure takes a huge chunk of their potential market away as the slade is the #1 Luxury SUV sold.
 
I see you already have your salespersons hat on.
Just because Caddy gives more of them away doesn't make it the best.
No way an Escalade would ever make it around the Nurburgring.
It's ponderous with a capital P.
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Re: Road & Track comparison [volvomax] by 62vetteefp
Nov 15, 2007 (10:38 am)
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Replying to: volvomax (Nov 15, 2007 9:59 am)

Just because Caddy gives more of them away doesn't make it the best.
No way an Escalade would ever make it around the Nurburgring.
It's ponderous with a capital P.

 
Not sure what american will ever want to take his SUV around the Nurburgring. Not what SUV's are for.
 
Caddy sold 52,000 Escalades last year for about an average of about $65k. No truck from BMW/Mercedes/Volvo comes close to that volume at any price. Not being a salesmen but just stating facts. You may not like them and that is fine but the public in general does.
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Re: Road & Track comparison [62vetteefp] by louiswei
Nov 15, 2007 (10:45 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 15, 2007 10:38 am)

Have to give credit when credit is due, the new Esclade does seem like a winner from almost every aspect.
 
My friend rented a new Esclade just not long ago and he couldn't stop praising about how comfortable does it ride and drive. The only beef he has against it is the cheap looking plastics all around.
 
Oh, and this is coming from a guy who owned Mistu 2000GT, 330ci and currently driving a Porsche Boxster S.
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Re: Road & Track comparison [62vetteefp] by british_rover
Nov 15, 2007 (10:46 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 15, 2007 10:38 am)

Once again the most popular thing isn't always the best. In fact the most popular thing is usually not the best.
 
Also there are plenty of people who don't want to drive a car that 51,999 other people every year buy. There is a subset of the populace that likes exclusivity and will pay for it.
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. by anythngbutgm
Nov 15, 2007 (11:05 am)
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I don't think the gangbanger crowd will ever dwindle enough for the Escalade to lose its popularity. And the NBA certainly isn't going anywhere (at least I hope not, with the Celts 7-0 and all, best start since like 1972 ).

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