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What is this discussion about? Cadillac Escalade, Cadillac XLR, Cadillac STS, Automotive News


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Re: Road & Track comparison [volvomax] by rockylee
Nov 14, 2007 (8:55 pm)
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Replying to: volvomax (Nov 14, 2007 5:36 pm)

Dynamically, the CTS has a way to go.
 
compared to ?
 
As for the Escalade, its a hopped up Tahoe that no self respecting German engineer or designer is at all scared of.
 
Well they might not be scared of it but it sure takes a huge chunk of their potential market away as the slade is the #1 Luxury SUV sold.
 
-Rocky
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Re: Road & Track comparison [sls002] by sguerr
Nov 14, 2007 (8:59 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Nov 13, 2007 7:38 am)

I had a Mercedes and traded it in for an Escalade and will get another(Escalade ) in the spring. I made the switch when I took my ML in an oil change and they gave a C30 for a loaner. Let me tell you that if you don't spend a million bucks, you don't get Mercedes quality. What you get is an underpower no option Camry. Cadillac is the best deal for the price, performance, room, a full list of options and yes quality. The Escalade is not re badged Tahoe. Remember that there is a Denali in between them. By the way isn't a Lexus G 470 a gussied up Seqouia? God forbid!!!!
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Re: Road & Track comparison [sguerr] by m1miata
Nov 14, 2007 (10:31 pm)
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Replying to: sguerr (Nov 14, 2007 8:59 pm)

Ummm, if the Escalade is not a re-badged Tahoe / Denali, then what is it? Basically, yet another boring large SUV. The Murano or CX-7 Mazda, at least are showing some design interest. Most all this stuff in same ol' same o'.
-Loren
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Re: Road & Track comparison [m1miata] by rockylee
Nov 15, 2007 (12:54 am)
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Replying to: m1miata (Nov 14, 2007 10:31 pm)

Glad to see you back posting Loren. Even if it's stuff I strongly disagree with you on !!!!
 
-Rocky
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Re: Road & Track comparison [sguerr] by lemko
Nov 15, 2007 (5:20 am)
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Replying to: sguerr (Nov 14, 2007 8:59 pm)

The new CTS is WAY nicer than the Mercedes C30. You're paying way too much for that three-pointed star on the hood. Heck, a new Malibu is probably nicer than a C30.
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Re: Road & Track comparison [lemko] by bumpy
Nov 15, 2007 (6:51 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 15, 2007 5:20 am)

C30 is a Volvo.
 

 
The proper comparison for the CTS is to the E-class anyway.
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Re: Road & Track comparison [bumpy] by sls002
Nov 15, 2007 (7:32 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Nov 15, 2007 6:51 am)

While the CTS may be about the same size as and E-class, I very much doubt that it compares in quality of materials (interior for example) or over all refinement with the E-class. For the money, the CTS is a good car, but it is an entry level luxury car or sports sedan. Entry level luxury means not quite luxury, which is what top of the line Buicks and Oldsmobiles used to be.
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Re: sls002 [rockylee] by sls002
Nov 15, 2007 (8:11 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 14, 2007 2:54 pm)

You get more than just bigger wheels and tires. The radiator grill is more like the V-series grills and I also get a limited slip rear end with AWD. AWD is not available with limited slip otherwise.
 
Magnetic ride is not available on the V-series STS, and is only available on one trim level on the base STS model. My impression is that Magnetic ride at Cadillac is more for ride than handling. My tires are 50 series, while the base tires on the SRX are 60's in front and 55's in back. My tires should improve handling a bit over the standard tires. But I wanted them so I could rotate tires and hopefully have them all last longer. The limited slip rear axle should help on icy roads too.
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Re: Road & Track comparison [sguerr] by british_rover
Nov 15, 2007 (9:54 am)
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Replying to: sguerr (Nov 14, 2007 8:59 pm)

The Escalade is just a tahoe with a bigger engine and more bling. They even use the same steering wheel adjustment so every time you move the wheel you are reminded how much money you wasted on your blinged tahoe. (They might have finally put in a nicer wheel adjustment on the brand new tahoe the last one I drove had the wheel in the right place so I didn't move it)
 
The GX470 is a gussied up 4Runner/Prado.
 
The Sequoia does not have a Lexus derivative.
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Re: Road & Track comparison [rockylee] by volvomax
Nov 15, 2007 (9:59 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 14, 2007 8:55 pm)

compared to ?
 
Uh, the Germans.
Look at the fit/finish of a Benz, Bimmer, Audi.
Look at the quality of the plastics,materials.
 
Well they might not be scared of it but it sure takes a huge chunk of their potential market away as the slade is the #1 Luxury SUV sold.
 
I see you already have your salespersons hat on.
Just because Caddy gives more of them away doesn't make it the best.
No way an Escalade would ever make it around the Nurburgring.
It's ponderous with a capital P.

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