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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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What is this discussion about? Cadillac Escalade, Cadillac XLR, Cadillac STS, Automotive News


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Re: American \ Expensive Re: Road & Track comparison [rayainsw] by sls002
Nov 12, 2007 (11:56 am)
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Replying to: rayainsw (Nov 12, 2007 10:30 am)

Your example of the Corvette is wrong: the Corvette is a very good sports car for the money, it is cheap compared to European sports cars. This is why it sells. The XLR is nicer than the Corvette and with the DOHC V8, is more refined. However, it is not worth what it costs. The Corvette is a much better choice.
 
However, putting the pushrod engines in the higher end Cadillac's to make V-series performance sedans is not what the market wants - it may be what you want, but you should buy the Pontiac G8. The true luxury performance sedan market is expecting refinement more like the AMG Mercedes models - the 6.2 liter V8.
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Re: Road & Track comparison [62vetteefp] by volvomax
Nov 12, 2007 (12:14 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 12, 2007 10:17 am)

OK but they have to offer something to bring those BMW or Mercedes buyers over to Cadillac and keep the buyers they have. Does them little good to only sell to their current buyers.
 
The truth of the matter is, you are not going to bring a current BMW or Mercedes owner over to Cadillac.
Those people have drunk the Germans kool-aid, and aren't gonna change.
Unless their portfolios tank.
The people you CAN influence are the ones who are moving up from mass market cars, who maybe cannot afford a Bimmer or Benz, or lux buyers from other brands with less pedigree. Lexus, Audi, Infiniti, Volvo, SAAB(throwing that in for Rocky, even though they don't really belong).
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Re: Road & Track comparison [volvomax] by rockylee
Nov 12, 2007 (12:35 pm)
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Replying to: volvomax (Nov 12, 2007 12:14 pm)

I disagree and think Cadillac, can and will bring buyers of those brands you mentioned to Cadillac. Cadillac, is more reliable, has a better warranty, and is less expensive. Sure the STS, XLR, need to be upgraded but the new CTS, current SRX, Escalade SUV & EXT (Truck) are top shelf, no exuses examples of what Cadillac, can do when they try.
 
As far as Saab, goes they are getting better but would agree their is work that still needs to be done. I assume by the end of this decade Saab, will be completely overhauled or nearly overhauled.
 
-Rocky
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Re: Road & Track comparison [volvomax] by louiswei
Nov 12, 2007 (1:08 pm)
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Replying to: volvomax (Nov 12, 2007 12:14 pm)

I don't think it's entirely right to say that BMW and MB owners won't switch to Caddy. I am pretty sure there are still open minded German owners who know s good product when they see one (oh shut up, I am not saying that most German owners are close minded bas***ds ).
 
However, I'll admit that it'll probably be harder for the loyal German owners to switch since they have been under German kool-aid poisoning for a long time. It'll be much easier for the younger buyers with less experience to consider Caddy because they simply have less to compare to. That's why I think the most important thing Caddy needs right now is a successful entry level program that can rival BMW's 3-series.
 
Get them while they are young and dont let go.
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Re: Road & Track comparison [rockylee] by volvomax
Nov 12, 2007 (2:34 pm)
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 12, 2007 12:35 pm)

I disagree and think Cadillac, can and will bring buyers of those brands you mentioned to Cadillac. Cadillac, is more reliable, has a better warranty, and is less expensive. Sure the STS, XLR, need to be upgraded but the new CTS, current SRX, Escalade SUV & EXT (Truck) are top shelf, no exuses examples of what Cadillac, can do when they try.
 
Oh puh-leez.
Yes, Cadillac may be more reliable, yes it is certainly cheaper.
But, you have ALOT to learn about what motivates,or de-motiavtes car buyers.
Esp luxury ones.
Lux cars are bough primarily on image and cachet.
Cadillac's image is well below the Germans. It just is.
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Re: Road & Track comparison [volvomax] by rockylee
Nov 12, 2007 (3:42 pm)
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Replying to: volvomax (Nov 12, 2007 2:34 pm)

Cadillac's image is well below the Germans. It just is.
 
Well not on the entry-level (CTS) and on the Truck/SUV (Escalade)
 
Still even to this day people will still use the phrase that........ is the "Cadillac" of ..........!
 
-Rocky
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CTS and others... by lemko
Nov 12, 2007 (5:50 pm)
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I had my Seville STS at the Cadillac dealer for an oil change this morning. The CTS is RED HOT! They only had one left and it was a demo. They sold out of them over the weekend. The interior of the CTS alone is worth the price of admission. I don't think I've seen that nice an interior in a Cadillac since the early 1960s. It puts the other cars in Cadillac's stable to shame. Once Cadillac works a little of that CTS magic into the rest of the line-up, it's really going to take off!
 
I was eyeing up a leftover black 2007 DTS Performance, but I didn't give in to temptation.
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Re: Road & Track comparison [rockylee] by steve_ HOST
Nov 12, 2007 (6:06 pm)
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 12, 2007 3:42 pm)

Still even to this day people will still use the phrase that........ is the "Cadillac" of ..........!
 
I always said that the LS 600hL is the Cadillac of Lexus.
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Re: Road & Track comparison [steve_] by rockylee
Nov 12, 2007 (6:31 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 12, 2007 6:06 pm)

Well that Cadillac (LS600hL) well isn't selling to well.
 
But yeah I get what you are saying !!!
 
-Rocky
 
P.S. lemko, you need to take one (CTS) for a drive. Now that would be as tempting as being in a room with Jessica Simpson
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Re: American \ Expensive Re: Road & Track comparison [sls002] by rayainsw
Nov 13, 2007 (5:06 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Nov 12, 2007 11:56 am)

"you should buy the Pontiac G8. "
 
OK.

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