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Re: 3.6 performance Re: V8 ? Re: CTS marketing [62vetteefp] by sls002
Oct 03, 2007 (11:24 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Oct 03, 2007 8:52 am)

Ummmmm - the inline BMW 6 is 3.000 liters, not 3.5 or 3.35 or....
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Re: 3.6 performance Re: V8 ? Re: CTS marketing [fintail] by 62vetteefp
Oct 03, 2007 (12:57 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Oct 03, 2007 9:38 am)

Does anyone really cross shop a 5er with a CTS? Really?
 
Probably few. But the comment was the CTS weighs so much more than a 3er but it is actually the size of a 5.
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Re: 3.6 performance Re: V8 ? Re: CTS marketing [sls002] by 62vetteefp
Oct 03, 2007 (1:01 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Oct 03, 2007 11:24 am)

Ummmmm - the inline BMW 6 is 3.000 liters, not 3.5 or 3.35 or....
 
OK, both at 300 hp. The L6 is more efficient.
 
Why is it called a 535 series or 528?
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Re: 3.6 performance Re: V8 ? Re: CTS marketing [62vetteefp] by louiswei
Oct 03, 2007 (1:12 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Oct 03, 2007 1:01 pm)

528i uses a de-tuned version of the 3.0 I6, same goes for the 525i.
 
535i has a twin-turbo version of the 3.0 I6, thus the nomenclature.
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Re: 3.6 performance Re: V8 ? Re: CTS marketing [louiswei] by 62vetteefp
Oct 04, 2007 (2:28 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Oct 03, 2007 1:12 pm)

528i uses a de-tuned version of the 3.0 I6, same goes for the 525i.
  
535i has a twin-turbo version of the 3.0 I6, thus the nomenclature

 
Sorry, I do not get it. What does the 28 mean? 35 mean? I know they are different versions of the 3 liter.
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Re: 3.6 performance Re: V8 ? Re: CTS marketing [62vetteefp] by sls002
Oct 04, 2007 (6:25 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Oct 04, 2007 2:28 am)

The first number is the series, as you know. The next two numbers indicate the engine, but also are a trim level I think. Going back a few years, the 325 and 525 models had a 2.5 liter inline six. The more upscale 328 and 528 had 2.8 liter inline sixs. The 2.8 liter engine was bumped up to 3 liters, so then these became 330 and 530 models. When the 3 liter engine for the 330 and 530 models got variable valve lift, the 325 and 525 models got a version of the older 3 liter engine without the more costly variable valve lift (I think). With the addition of turbos, the x30 models move up to x35 models.
 
Perhaps it is worth noting that Mercedes model names include a number to refer to the engine, but one should not conclude that the engine's size is used. The current AMG models with 63 in them really have a 6.2 liter engine.
 
Cadillac's three letter names do not make a whole lot of sense either; CTS (Catera touring sedan), STS (Seville touring sedan), SRX (Seville utility vehicle ), DTS (DeVille luxury sedan - not a sports sedan for sure).
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Re: 3.6 performance Re: V8 ? Re: CTS marketing [sls002] by louiswei
Oct 04, 2007 (7:33 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Oct 04, 2007 6:25 am)

Lexus, so far, has been the most consistent one with its model nomenclature. I would put Infiniti up there as well. MB is not bad except for the AMG versions. The new BMWs are just down right confusing for the common buyers.
 
I'll bet that most people who drive a new x25i, x28i and x35i have no idea that there is actually a 3.0L I6 under the hood.
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Re: 3.6 performance Re: V8 ? Re: CTS marketing [louiswei] by sls002
Oct 04, 2007 (7:48 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Oct 04, 2007 7:33 am)

People who buy a BMW because it is trendy probably have no idea what they have, but car people certainly do. The basic problem with BMW's numbers is that there were x28 models (328 and 528) 10 years ago that were top of the line six's. Now they are bottom (in the USA) of the line six's.
 
Back in the 60's, Chevy would put an emblem on the side of the car to indicate the engine under the hood, a six got nothing, the small 8 a simple V I think, the 327 added crossed flags and the 409 had 409 under the flags.
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model names by sls002
Oct 04, 2007 (8:13 am)
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People who own a deVille can answer the question about what kind of car they have by saying they have a deVille. But people with the DTS probably need to say I have a Cadillac DTS (or Cadillac CTS, ....). The Deville name was around for a long enough time to be known by even those whose interest in cars is limited to the appliance category.
 
I think including engine size in the name is useless information, and when the engine changes, the model name shifts, making for confusion. It would be better to have a separate tag on the car to show what the engine is.
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Re: model names [sls002] by lemko
Oct 04, 2007 (9:03 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Oct 04, 2007 8:13 am)

I refer to my car as a Seville despite the fact the name "Seville" appears nowhere on the car. If I had a DTS, I'd probably call it a DeVille, but if I had a CTS, I most definately would not refer to it as a "Catera Touring Sedan," or worse, a "Cimmaron Touring Sedan!"

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