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Re: 3.6 performance Re: V8 ? Re: CTS marketing [hondacbr1k]
by bumpy
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Oct 02, 2007 (9:17 am)
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Replying to: hondacbr1k (Oct 02, 2007 8:41 am)
300HP for the street is overkill
Not in a 2-ton car, unfortunately.
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Re: 3.6 performance Re: V8 ? Re: CTS marketing [bumpy]
by rockylee
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Oct 02, 2007 (4:01 pm)
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Replying to: bumpy (Oct 02, 2007 9:17 am)
Well it does do 0-60 in the 5.7-5.8 range with a stick. I "thought" I read somewhere that somebody got a 5.4 0-60 time with a stick. Edmunds, did it in 6.5 with a automatic which is by far the slowest time I've read.
Perhaps they had a couple tons of cement bags in the trunk so the number wouldn't approach the foreign cars they bias.
-Rocky
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Re: 3.6 performance Re: V8 ? Re: CTS marketing [hondacbr1k]
by sls002
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Oct 03, 2007 (7:16 am)
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Replying to: hondacbr1k (Oct 02, 2007 8:41 am)
While I agree that there is no need for a car to accelerate to 60 in less than 8 seconds, there is also no need to use full throttle from a standstill either. What I have seen for the DI 3.6 is 0-60 in about 6 seconds with the automatic and RWD (source: Cadillac advertising). The AWD is slower. My supercharged 95 Riviera had too much torque from a standstill on icy pavement. I have not found this a problem with my FWD Seville with a northstar V8.
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Re: 3.6 performance Re: V8 ? Re: CTS marketing [rockylee]
by louiswei
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Oct 03, 2007 (7:38 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Oct 02, 2007 4:01 pm)
It doesn't matter if it's 5.4, 5.7, 5.8 or even 6.5 seconds, the matter is that the car weighs about 4100 lbs. That will just hurt the overall performance of the car no matter how powerful a engine you put in there. When going through a corner you'll feel like you are running with an extra big arse attached to your body. I would much rather take a 200HP car that weighs 2700 lbs than this beast.
Man, and I thought my 3500 lbs car with 300+HP is heavy...
Nevertheless, the interior is awesome though.
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Re: 3.6 performance Re: V8 ? Re: CTS marketing [louiswei]
by sls002
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Oct 03, 2007 (7:43 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Oct 03, 2007 7:38 am)
With AWD it is 4100, RWD is 3900. However, this is more than a 3-series should weigh. But it is bigger than a 3-series too.
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Re: 3.6 performance Re: V8 ? Re: CTS marketing [sls002]
by louiswei
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Oct 03, 2007 (8:16 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Oct 03, 2007 7:43 am)
Even with 3900 lbs it is way overweight. The 535i is around 3500 lbs and that's 400 lbs less than the RWD CTS!!
If I am not mistaken, the 5-series is also bigger.
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Re: 3.6 performance Re: V8 ? Re: CTS marketing [louiswei]
by 62vetteefp
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Oct 03, 2007 (8:52 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Oct 03, 2007 8:16 am)
Even with 3900 lbs it is way overweight. The 535i is around 3500 lbs and that's 400 lbs less than the RWD CTS!!
535 with the 3.5 Liter/auto is 3700#. 300 hp
335 with the 3.5 Liter/auto is 3605#.
The comparable 3.6L/auto is 3872#. 300 hp
Size wize:BMW5.........CTS..........BMW3
Length...191.1.........191.6........178.2
width....72.7..........72.5.........71.5
height...57.8..........58...........55.9
So the CTS is as large outside as a 5 series with a 172# differential. For the $20k cost difference GM gives up some lightweight alumium materials perhaps.
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Re: 3.6 performance Re: V8 ? Re: CTS marketing [62vetteefp]
by fintail
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Oct 03, 2007 (9:38 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Oct 03, 2007 8:52 am)
Does anyone really cross shop a 5er with a CTS? Really?
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Re: 3.6 performance Re: V8 ? Re: CTS marketing [rockylee]
by volvomax
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Oct 03, 2007 (11:14 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Oct 02, 2007 4:01 pm)
Problem w/ high output V6's is that they have to revved wayyy up to provide the power.
Easier to do w/ a stick.
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Re: 3.6 performance Re: V8 ? Re: CTS marketing [sls002]
by volvomax
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Oct 03, 2007 (11:17 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Oct 03, 2007 7:16 am)
While I agree that there is no need for a car to accelerate to 60 in less than 8 seconds, there is also no need to use full throttle from a standstill either.
a Cadillac is not a NEED car either.
It is a WANT car, and want cars are the ones with the speed and the toys.
That is why people want them.
That is why I like the new Caddy commerical,about the car turing you on.
People who buy want cars want those car to elicit a response,they want to be "turned on" by their car.
Otherwise, they'd drive a Camry.
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