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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: 3.6 performance Re: V8 ? Re: CTS marketing [plekto] by rockylee
Sep 21, 2007 (8:50 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Sep 21, 2007 8:46 pm)

It however could be as high as 600 hp. !!!!
 
-Rocky
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Power and performance by sls002
Sep 22, 2007 (8:13 am)
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Motor Trend seems to think the new CTS-V will get a 600 hp version of the Corvette engine.
 
What BMW has done by turbocharging the 335's six it to bump the entry level sports sedan performance benchmark to a new level. GM's turbocharged engines have a very flat torque curve which means that performance does not depend on the engine being kept in a particular speed range. BMW's 335 has 300+ lb-ft of torque and will out perform any engine with less torque.
 
The DI 3.6 in the CTS will compete well with the rest of the competition, but is overpowered by BMW's turbo engine. Even the 4.6 northstar does not have enough torque to out perform the 335. I think Cadillac (and the rest of the entry level sports sedans) will have to turbo charge some version of the DOHC V6 line (a bigger version of the turbo 2.8) to be on the same performance level as BMW.
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Re: Power and performance [sls002] by plekto
Sep 22, 2007 (10:25 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 22, 2007 8:13 am)

But let's see.. turbo=money and things to break, plus lag(which the 3.6 is designed to not have, with a silly low torque curve).
 
GM's opn the right track then it comes to beefing up power with its love of superchargers. Now a supercharged 3.6DI with 400HP... I'd rather have that than a CTS-V for driving around town(600 is just too much, really)
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Re: Dirt cheap DTS [fintail] by cooterbfd
Sep 22, 2007 (2:06 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (Sep 21, 2007 9:59 am)

Don't forget, the DTS could be a "stripper" rental, as well.
 
My money's on the Eldo being a convertible. They made convertibles from '82-'85 (Riv's as well)
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Re: Power and performance [plekto] by sls002
Sep 22, 2007 (2:26 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Sep 22, 2007 10:25 am)

I don't know how much power the 3.6 is designed for. If it is at large end of the basic design, then turbo or super charging may not work. A smaller bore may be required to get enough strength in the block - say 3.2 liters or so.
 
My supercharged 3800 in the 1995 Riviera was very powerful from a standing start. On snowy/icy/slippery streets it was hard to get started without spinning the tires, which meant that the traction control was always active until some speed was built up. On dry pavement it was OK. I am not fond of supercharging. A turbo charger should be slower to build up torque on slippery pavement though.
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Re: Dirt cheap DTS [cooterbfd] by sls002
Sep 22, 2007 (2:40 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Sep 22, 2007 2:06 pm)

I remember when Cadillac announced that the 76 Eldorado convertible would be the last. I sort of wondered if buying one would be a good idea at the time. After production ended, there were a number of them advertised for sale for the next year or more. I think that they were not a good investment (unless you wanted a convertible to use).
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Re: Power and performance [plekto] by rockylee
Sep 22, 2007 (9:27 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Sep 22, 2007 10:25 am)

I'd rather have that than a CTS-V for driving around town(600 is just too much, really)
 
I don't think 600 hp. is to much.
 
-Rocky
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Re: Power and performance [rockylee] by sls002
Sep 23, 2007 (8:47 am)
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Replying to: rockylee (Sep 22, 2007 9:27 pm)

As long as the CTS-V is a very limited production model, so that only a few are really on the streets, excessive horsepower is not really an issue. But my Corvettes (an 84 and an 86) were not good on slippery pavement, so the CTS-V is not something I would want. The CTS with the 3.6 engine is a well balanced vehicle for power, handling and fuel consumption. Cadillac thought that it needed a "V" series to compete with the "M" models of BMW and the "AMG" Mercedes models. The STS-V was a bit short of the mark, although it is more street worthy than the M5 or the CTS-V I think. Mercedes has outdone BMW though.
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Re: V8 ? Re: CTS marketing [rayainsw] by 62vetteefp
Sep 23, 2007 (4:16 pm)
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Replying to: rayainsw (Sep 21, 2007 8:19 am)

Has anyone heard if the CTS’s “platform” was engineered to accept a V8?
 
Same platform as the current STS so yes.
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Re: Power and performance [sls002] by rockylee
Sep 23, 2007 (8:53 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 23, 2007 8:47 am)

Well the "V" will be upgraded enough to handle all that power. The old Vette's like most cars from the pre-90's aren't nearly as sophisticated as todays modern cars and can accomidate these new historic power numbers.
 
-Rocky

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