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Replying to: rayainsw (Sep 21, 2007 8:19 am)
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Replying to: rayainsw (Sep 21, 2007 8:30 am) 2009 CTS-V slated for late Sept '08 arrival; no Tremac trans |
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 21, 2007 8:44 am) Well, with a curb weight closer to 3600 than 4000, and a ( um, somewhat underrated ) 300 \ 300 ( vs 304 \ 272 ) the BMW 335 acceleration has proven what I’d call significantly quicker in independent, published tests. The C+D test of a manual trans. 2008 CTS shows times nearly a second longer than the 335 to 60, and over a second less quick ( at almost 10 MPH slower terminal velocity ) in the Quarter Mile. IMHO, a difference of a half second or less might mean that they were comparable. Clearly no number ( or set of numbers ) completely describes any car – and acceleration is only one quantifiable aspect of ‘performance’ but the acceleration results strongly suggest to me that the 335 would feel much quicker, in typical street driving. Stepping out of a 2007 Corvette ( my Daily Driver ) and into the 335, I was very pleasantly surprised at the ‘thrust’ available from the TT I6. Even with another 175+ ( guess ) pounds of ‘ballast’ added by the BMW sales dweeb during my test drive. Again, does not mean that the 335 & CTS are not comparable, overall – just in my opinion, the acceleration aspect is not very close. I can see other areas where they are more nearly comparable. - Ray Sources: http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtests/13548/tested-2007-bmw-335i-coupe-automatic- - - -performance-payoffs-page3.html 0 – 60 = 4.9 Quarter = 13.4  106 ( That’s with the six speed automatic = slightly quicker results than their test with the six speed manual trans. ) http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtests/13537/full-test-2008-cadillac-cts.html 0 – 60 = 5.8 Quarter = 14.6 97
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Sep 21, 2007 8:22 am) That Eldo is probably only about 4x market value.
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Replying to: rayainsw (Sep 21, 2007 9:43 am) The CTS has excellent performance with either engine. BMW has been forced into turbocharging to keep up with the competition, as they can't fit a longer inline six without moving the firewall back into the passenger compartment and moving the rear passengers into the trunk.
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 21, 2007 3:10 pm) 
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Replying to: plekto (Sep 21, 2007 8:46 pm) -Rocky |
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Motor Trend seems to think the new CTS-V will get a 600 hp version of the Corvette engine. What BMW has done by turbocharging the 335's six it to bump the entry level sports sedan performance benchmark to a new level. GM's turbocharged engines have a very flat torque curve which means that performance does not depend on the engine being kept in a particular speed range. BMW's 335 has 300+ lb-ft of torque and will out perform any engine with less torque. The DI 3.6 in the CTS will compete well with the rest of the competition, but is overpowered by BMW's turbo engine. Even the 4.6 northstar does not have enough torque to out perform the 335. I think Cadillac (and the rest of the entry level sports sedans) will have to turbo charge some version of the DOHC V6 line (a bigger version of the turbo 2.8) to be on the same performance level as BMW.
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 22, 2007 8:13 am) GM's opn the right track then it comes to beefing up power with its love of superchargers. Now a supercharged 3.6DI with 400HP... I'd rather have that than a CTS-V for driving around town(600 is just too much, really)
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Replying to: fintail (Sep 21, 2007 9:59 am) My money's on the Eldo being a convertible. They made convertibles from '82-'85 (Riv's as well)
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