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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: CTS review [sls002] by 62vetteefp
Sep 20, 2007 (9:24 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 20, 2007 6:44 am)

This has the sound of self serving GM/Cadillac propaganda
 
Every article from the media I read says the CTS interior is top notch. So it must be that they are all reading the same GM pitch and writing down what they are told to write. Darn that C&D and the rest of them, bought out by GM.
 
The only one I heard of that says anything somewhat bad (except for a poorly located cupholder) is the Automobile mag which I have not read.
 
The car has been out for awhile and there are all kinds of media stories out there. Can anybody find a link that supports a deficient interior in the CTS?
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Re: Below the CTS? [british_rover] by 62vetteefp
Sep 20, 2007 (9:25 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (Sep 20, 2007 6:48 am)

And they are building these models in the US using union labor?
 
Do you have any info on this? I really doubt it and cannot find where they are doing it.
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Re: Below the CTS? [sls002] by 62vetteefp
Sep 20, 2007 (9:32 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 20, 2007 8:13 am)

The picture that Cadillac wants one to have in mind is that of a room full of grandmothers sewing with a needle and thread.
 
 
 
They are probably made just like the seats. Most of the seat sources (Lear, JCI, etc.) have a plant in Mexico or some other low paid nation with a bunch of people using sewing machines to stich the seats together. In there own right they are craftsman. The same sources make the interior IP and doors so they are probably also sewing the parts.
 
http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/model/gallery.jsp?model=cts&year=2008&id=3&p- rimary=4
 
Per the website they call it stiched accents so probably some of the interior is vinyl. And today the vinyls used are hard to tell from leather and in some cases even have a better hand. i.e. silk infused leather
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Re: Below the CTS? [62vetteefp] by british_rover
Sep 20, 2007 (9:56 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Sep 20, 2007 9:25 am)

I was asking if the interior bits were made in the US with union labor or if it was being outsuorced. I have no idea where they are making them I just doubt they could afford to do that at US Labor rates.
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Re: Below the CTS? [british_rover] by 62vetteefp
Sep 20, 2007 (1:15 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Sep 20, 2007 9:56 am)

For almost sure they are not union made or in the states. Most likely Mexico. Lear alone has 11 plants in Mexico. Could also be JCI or others.
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Re: CTS review [62vetteefp] by sls002
Sep 20, 2007 (2:52 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Sep 20, 2007 9:24 am)

Car & Drive did not do a comparison test, Automobile did. Motor Trend's test was not a comparison either.
 
Automobile did not say the interior was bad, only a bit overdone, but still much better than the old. Motor Trend indicates that the DI engine has a noise, vibration, hashness problem, that GM has indicated there is no solution for, short of an entirely new engine design.
 
You are the one who thought that the CTS was now ready to take over the BMW 5-series, Mercedes E-class market.
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Re: CTS review [sls002] by rockylee
Sep 21, 2007 (2:16 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 20, 2007 2:52 pm)

LOL.....MT is a joke !!!!!
 
Motor Trend->Japanese=Good
                    
Motor Trend->GM=Bad
 
 
 
-Rocky
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Re: CTS review [sls002] by 62vetteefp
Sep 21, 2007 (3:30 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 20, 2007 2:52 pm)

You are the one who thought that the CTS was now ready to take over the BMW 5-series, Mercedes E-class market.
 
I never said that. I have never been in the new CTS much less drive one so I cannot make that kind of determination. I asked that since the CTS is about 5 size could it stand in the same league as the 5 at a much lower price and would the media do comparisons that way. It looks like it may have a couple issues that make it perfect in that range, but then again it is $20k cheaper or so.
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Re: CTS review [62vetteefp] by sls002
Sep 21, 2007 (6:19 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Sep 21, 2007 3:30 am)

My bad, I guess louiswei is the one who made that claim. However, when I said the interior would need an upgrade, you came back in post 3524 agreeing with louiswei that it was all done.
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CTS marketing by sls002
Sep 21, 2007 (6:26 am)
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Cadillac has positioned the CTS as an entry level sports sedan. I do not think that they can turn around in a year or two, and make it a luxury sports sedan. In the event that they dump the STS, then an upgraded CTS might move somewhat up market. To do that I think the interior would need some improvement, a bit more wood trim, less bright metal. However, more of the STS's equipment would need to be available, like the adaptive cruise control and a V8 engine.

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