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Can GM make Cadillac the standard of the world Again?

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Re: Below the CTS? [62vetteefp] by sls002
Sep 19, 2007 (6:39 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Sep 18, 2007 5:09 pm)

I have the October issue now, so the September issue will not be available much longer. They did think the new interior was much better than the first generation, but felt that it was overdone to some extent. The plastics were not as good as the Germans. They also felt that the rear seats in the CTS were not as supportive as the 3-series or C-class even though there is more room.
 
I don't know just what Cadillac is thinking for the next generation STS or DTS. If Cadillac plans to play in the 5-series sports sedan market, then the smaller end of the DTS/STS model will need to be this type of sedan. The larger end of the combined model can be a deVille replacement. An even larger model might be a higher end model like the old Fleetwood sixty special was.
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Re: If Cadillac wants to be the standard of the world... [sls002] by cooterbfd
Sep 19, 2007 (6:58 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 18, 2007 8:28 am)

I agree. Also, I think that after most of the independant coachbuilders went belly up or were bought out by the late '30's, Caddy went a little "downscale" (for lack of a better term) to appeal to a wider audience to keep sales up. They have been more flashy and outspoken w/ their average models as opposed to Mercedes, Rolls, Bentley, etc. Traditionally getting buyers like Elvis (new money) as opposed to a Vanderbilt (old money).
 
I suppose that Caddy says "I've arrived" or "I made it" whereas the others say "what took you so long??"
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Re: Below the CTS? [sls002] by 62vetteefp
Sep 19, 2007 (7:27 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 19, 2007 6:39 am)

what does overdone mean? Too flashy?
 
How are the plastics not as good as the German? I have never been in one but if it is like our last SRX most of the interior is covered with handsewn leather/vinyl. Very little "plastic" but what there was was hard to tell it was hard unless you touched it.
 
The next sts/dts will be bigger than the CTS so it will be more of a 7 size. Probably priced where the STS and DTS is today with more upside. Not sure what you mean by smaller and larger ends. price? Perhaps they have a extended wheelbase version which is very possible.
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How about the Sixteen? by anythngbutgm
Sep 19, 2007 (10:37 am)
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Re: Below the CTS? [62vetteefp] by sls002
Sep 19, 2007 (11:54 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Sep 19, 2007 7:27 am)

They did comment that the SRX's interior was better. I think that the finish on the plastic is what they are getting at.
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Re: How about the Sixteen? [anythngbutgm] by cooterbfd
Sep 19, 2007 (12:53 pm)
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Sep 19, 2007 10:37 am)

That's the car they SHOULD make. I think Lutz is wrong on this one. Even if they strengthened CAFE, there would be so few built (1000-1500/yr) it would have little impact on the results.
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Re: How about the Sixteen? [cooterbfd] by bumpy
Sep 19, 2007 (1:16 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Sep 19, 2007 12:53 pm)

"I think you overestimate their chances."
 
100 a year is more realistic, unless you build 1000 in a single batch, then store them in a warehouse and finish them to order over the next few years. Cadillac needs to build a credible S-class before they think about aiming at Maybach.
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Re: How about the Sixteen? [bumpy] by louiswei
Sep 19, 2007 (1:22 pm)
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Replying to: bumpy (Sep 19, 2007 1:16 pm)

No, it's more like...
 
Cadillac needs to build a credible 5-series before they start thinking about the S-class then Maybach/RR.
 
Apparently the new CTS is still a 3.5-series kind of car. Not quiet a 3-series but not yet a 5-series. Maybe Caddy should rename the CTS as 436DI.
 
 
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Re: Below the CTS? [62vetteefp] by british_rover
Sep 19, 2007 (3:40 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Sep 19, 2007 7:27 am)

it is like our last SRX most of the interior is covered with handsewn leather/vinyl.
 
I seriously doubt it is handsewn.
 
It is automated by some machine.
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Re: Below the CTS? [british_rover] by 62vetteefp
Sep 20, 2007 (2:55 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (Sep 19, 2007 3:40 pm)


The leather is hand-sewn, just like that found in the STS-V and XLR-V. The SRX will benefit from Cadillac's new "cut and sew" technique that employs craftsmen to cut, stitch, stretch, and install many of the interior's leather panels. This enables such upscale details as French stitching, and GM hopes it will also eliminate the large gaps and poor fitment they've come to be known for.
 
Jim Taylor, Cadillac's General Manager hopes the old-world charm of hand craftsmanship will help lure more customers to the SRX, saying, "The SRX is the latest and most complete example of our new approach to interiors, blending advanced technology with the hand craftsmanship that was once, and is again becoming, a Cadillac trademark."

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