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#3529 of 6195 Re: Below the CTS? [62vetteefp]
Sep 18, 2007 (1:51 pm)
The article is in the September issue, and the comparison test was done in Germany. The title is "In Enemy Territory". I don't think that it is on the website as yet. I have a subscription to Automobile.
A point to consider: since Cadillac has been marketing the CTS as an entry level (3-series) car, moving it upmarket needs to be done with the 2008 model on the basis that it is all new. Of course this brings up the problem of where does the STS fit then. Sure it can be put up against the 7-series, but it has not done well in comparison tests with the E-class or 5-series.
I will say this, if a CTS wagon were going to be available for the 2008 model year (it won't), I would most likely have waited for it.
#3530 of 6195 Re: Below the CTS? [sls002]
Sep 18, 2007 (5:09 pm)
STS is not ready for that kind of prime time. Just announced that the DTS and STS will be replaced by one model.
I do not get the mag but I can probably get one.
Sep 18, 2007 (5:23 pm)
I think I just saw the new CTS in Burn Notice. Not bad looking and pretty good product placement it wasn't that blatant.
Sep 18, 2007 (5:40 pm)
I have noticed new CTS advertising inserts in some car magazines, kind of made to look like an article. I can't say I care for this form of advertising.
#3533 of 6195 Re: Hey [british_rover]
Sep 19, 2007 (6:20 am)
I commented on this too, and yes it is the CTS, as the interior is not an STS. So it is the new 2008 CTS, and it has been on the last few episodes.
#3534 of 6195 Re: Below the CTS? [62vetteefp]
Sep 19, 2007 (6:39 am)
I have the October issue now, so the September issue will not be available much longer. They did think the new interior was much better than the first generation, but felt that it was overdone to some extent. The plastics were not as good as the Germans. They also felt that the rear seats in the CTS were not as supportive as the 3-series or C-class even though there is more room.
I don't know just what Cadillac is thinking for the next generation STS or DTS. If Cadillac plans to play in the 5-series sports sedan market, then the smaller end of the DTS/STS model will need to be this type of sedan. The larger end of the combined model can be a deVille replacement. An even larger model might be a higher end model like the old Fleetwood sixty special was.
#3535 of 6195 Re: If Cadillac wants to be the standard of the world... [sls002]
Sep 19, 2007 (6:58 am)
I agree. Also, I think that after most of the independant coachbuilders went belly up or were bought out by the late '30's, Caddy went a little "downscale" (for lack of a better term) to appeal to a wider audience to keep sales up. They have been more flashy and outspoken w/ their average models as opposed to Mercedes, Rolls, Bentley, etc. Traditionally getting buyers like Elvis (new money) as opposed to a Vanderbilt (old money).
I suppose that Caddy says "I've arrived" or "I made it" whereas the others say "what took you so long??"
#3536 of 6195 Re: Below the CTS? [sls002]
Sep 19, 2007 (7:27 am)
what does overdone mean? Too flashy?
How are the plastics not as good as the German? I have never been in one but if it is like our last SRX most of the interior is covered with handsewn leather/vinyl. Very little "plastic" but what there was was hard to tell it was hard unless you touched it.
The next sts/dts will be bigger than the CTS so it will be more of a 7 size. Probably priced where the STS and DTS is today with more upside. Not sure what you mean by smaller and larger ends. price? Perhaps they have a extended wheelbase version which is very possible.
#3538 of 6195 Re: Below the CTS? [62vetteefp]
Sep 19, 2007 (11:54 am)
They did comment that the SRX's interior was better. I think that the finish on the plastic is what they are getting at.